Grod1,

I hope you read all of the posts. You make a statement that is in conflict with about 10 replies on THIS thread. Quite a number of people listed mileages over 8K with a significant number of hard launches with no apparent damage. In a car like the EVO, your clutch will wear quicker, just because of the way most of us drive them. You then cateforically state that "dropping" the clutch will wear it out. That is just not true in the sense that you mean it. Over a significant number of total launches that might be true in that you get more wear and tear than driving to the grocery store, but "dropping" the clutch is actually better for it than "babying" it at a high RPM launch. As long as you have 400HP or less, you should not damage differentials, etc. Where the extreme clutch wear comes in, is when someone "feathers" a clutch for a high rpm launch and a great deal of wear is caused in a single launch.

EVO's in the US are more often than not measured by their 1/4 mile times. While many of them are raced in SCCA type events or participate in street "whose car can take this curve faster" contests, people are not developing 400+ hp for parking lot road courses. I can't understand why there are people "lecturing" everyone that the EVO is not a drag car when in actuality it is one of the best performing $30000 quarter mile cars every seen in the US. Add less than $5000 and you can run with a Viper, Ferrari or Vette. The beauty of it is that you can run with them in the quarter or on a road coarse!!.

 

I have to agree with the above statement. This car is not a track only car. Its very fast around the twisties but its also a very effective drag car. Why else are there several companies who give 1/4 times with their products in addition to dynos? If this car is not a drag car then why is it one of the fastest productions cars under 40,000 in the 1/4 mile? This car was meant to be drivin no matter what you do with it. The rigid chassis and strong suspension is great for draging and those street launches. But with any awd car when you have that much power and that many pieces going in different directions, if enough criction is applied something has to give. These clutches should go out abnomally quick but it does happen. I have had other cars where I modded them to 350 hp and the clutch started to slip not just this car. So it is pretty much expected. I had a 2002 jetta 1.8T with 350 hp at the wheels. My clutch had to be replaced at 10,000 miles because to get traction I had to feather the clutch which kills the life of it.

 

First off.. i doubt that even 80 percent of the people that have burned their clutches know how to launch...... I'm sure they put the rmps up to 6k and just drop.. which is wrong... you are suppose to let it out till it engages and then drop it.... there is a science to this, and if you think i'm wrong speak the the top racers in the DSM world.. i happen to know one personally and this is how he taught me and i had no problems with my 12 sec 90gsx.... could pull 12's all day at etown....and that was with a small 16G turbo...the skill's are all in the driver....



Evo's were not marketed as 1/4 mile cars people just assume that they are fast so they should hold up at the track... the evo is meant for auto-cross and ralling...... Mitsu has the EVO in those events not 1/4 events.....
and for 30k if you wanted a track car you could get a v8 mustang and slap on a SC that will probably pull 12's all day at the track...
I know i didn't buy this car for 1/4 mile i bought it for the handling. and the performance.....

 

Well what yoru saying is true but not everyone wants a rwd v8. I bought my car because I wanted an all around performance car that I could upgrade with ease(not to mention I only buy turbo cars) and I wanted to be able to road race it. But I know on ocasion I enjoy smoking someone from a light and this is a great car to be able to do that. I dont want to drag it professionally or anything but I will be taking it once or twice to the track to see what I can pull in the 1/4. And it is true you dotn want to just drop it because that is a good way to break parts and cause too much friction on which ever part gives first. You need a very small gripping period during yoru luanch before you depress the clutch entirely but a lot of people feather the clutch too much. That WILL destroy a clutch in no time.

 

again I ask...:

Where are all of the fried STi clutches????

This whole issue should be a non issue. If you're going to build an awd car you had better beef every aspect so power gets to the ground without blowing parts.

This clutch issue is similar to the tranny issue that the WRX (non STi) has. It IS a glass tranny that was designed for about 90hp. If you don't baby it completely its gonna blow up. So what did Subaru do? They worked with Porsche to design a bulletproof 6 speed and guess what... no more tranny issues.

The weak link in a transmission should be tires. They should spin. That's the part that should break - the contact patch with the ground. Anything less is under-engeneering.

Again I ask... Where are all the fried STi clutches???

 

that is a very good point.

 

we just get pinging engines .

I remember reading some ads that said 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, that is obviously a drag-racing style launch.

 

first when the tests are done they are done by professionals and they won't show you if **** breaks because they are trying to get the max out of it during testing..... none of those reports say that the car can do it over and over again with abuse......
so get your facts straight before talking.......

 

well publishing a time derived from drag racing style launch sure seems like marketing it as a drag racing car. Why not publish cornering grip, or, if stupid americans could understand them, 'Ring times. I understand that published numbers do not take into account breakage, just pointing out that Mitsu is pushing this car's potential in a straight line as much as they are pushing any other aspect of it.

 

The only reason a fact is advertised is because the car is capable of doing it and because they want to attract enthusiast buyers. Sadly, their dealerships and warranty leave much to be desired. Clearly, they are hypocrites to advertise something and then tell you you really can't do it once you own the car.

 

Just as a clarification. Vipers (and the new Ford GT) run 11.7 at 124mph.

I don't think $5 grand in mods will get you to 124mph in the quarter mile.

It must really suck to be one of those car owners though, they get one pass at a strip before they get thrown out with out a cage and they are 100% bone stock on street (even crappy socal) gas.

 

same here, but i do not abuse it...

but i'm preparing to...

 

Mister 2zx3,

If you read the post, I said you could run WITH the named cars. Dave Buscher runs 11.65 on his car with less than 5000 in it. Al runs 11.62's with something more than $5000 but still increcibly less than any of those cars cost. In drag racing it is the elapsed time (assuming equivalent leave times) that creates a win. If you are doing a 1000 mph and get there later than your opponent you loose.

 

Mister 2zx3,

I do agree with you about what fantastic cars the Viper and Ford GT are. But at $85,000 and $153,000 they should be great cars.
As much as I would like to, I cannot argue with the rollcage requirement. At the speeds, they can do in the quarter (124mph), one mistake and you can be airborne. For the price you pay, you would think, the manufacturers should include a built in roll cage integrated into the body.

 

so all the suv's and every other car on the market is meant for drag racing.... cause that is what your saying...