Bad news for E85 users
Jun 18, 2011, 08:45 AM
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Since you use petroleum products to fertilize, grow and ship the corn/ethanol?
It's not like it just magically appears from the ground cost-free.
from a nice lefty/greenie source:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/16-0
come on guys, even Al Gore jumped off of this ridiculous bandwagon.
It's not like it just magically appears from the ground cost-free.
from a nice lefty/greenie source:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/16-0
come on guys, even Al Gore jumped off of this ridiculous bandwagon.
You state your opinions without remembering Oil has far more of a journey. Oil from the Middle East in the form of Crude is in transit for thousands of miles, that's just in the raw form. Once it hits our Coast, it's shipped to our refineries and so on...
Rather then finding the first thing Google produces for you, study the subject. Keep in mind I'm not a fan of using Corn for Ethanol although the link listed doesn't take into account in regards to Co2/Carbon Dioxide comment that plants also consume Carbon Dioxide. Water Efficiency has been improved in many facilities by 40%. I cannot vouch for others states although our Ethanol at the pumps in Springfield, Mo is produced in Missouri therefore transit is dramatically reduced. In return obviously of traveling a dramatically shorter distance, Oil consumption is again greatly reduced.
Ethanol will not work unless it's it's grown, refined and distributed strategically. It makes zero sense to ship the fuel from our Midwest area to our Coast lines and so on.
Jun 18, 2011, 08:51 AM
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Just curious, what are paying for fuel in the states?
I'm paying 2.22 NZ$ per litre for 98 RON which comes to around 6.73 US$ per gallon. Our E85 is 2.31 NZ$ per litre which is about 6.98 US$ per gallon. Keeping in mind we don't get subsidies and some (possibly most) of our ethanol is sourced from milk.
I'm paying 2.22 NZ$ per litre for 98 RON which comes to around 6.73 US$ per gallon. Our E85 is 2.31 NZ$ per litre which is about 6.98 US$ per gallon. Keeping in mind we don't get subsidies and some (possibly most) of our ethanol is sourced from milk.
It doesn't matter to me if Ethanol is the same price as gas or even slightly more, Id still buy it just because of its benefits both for my engine and for the fact that its renewable..
Jun 19, 2011, 12:14 PM
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Exactly, the credits are going to the oil companies, not the ethanol producers and farmers.
Read the rest of what you quoted, I explained how animal feedyards are benefited from ethanol production, not harmed. I.E. cheaper animal feed.
*for those who care, I'm employed in grain acquisition, risk management, and train logistics for three ethanol plants*
Read the rest of what you quoted, I explained how animal feedyards are benefited from ethanol production, not harmed. I.E. cheaper animal feed.
*for those who care, I'm employed in grain acquisition, risk management, and train logistics for three ethanol plants*
so according to someone who works in the industry there is a marginal cost-benefit within the supply train. My question then becomes is that benefit sufficient to offset the increased use of land, the constantly increasing cost of corn, the current supply shortages of corn, the probable increased total output in CO2, the distorted markets and politicized misallocation of valuable resources?
I seriously doubt it.
Last edited by wjamyers; Jun 19, 2011 at 12:18 PM.
Jun 20, 2011, 07:28 AM
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Jun 20, 2011, 10:50 AM
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So many people dont seem to understand that Ethanol from corn is a first step. Look into all the other processes being developed now that has yields/acre orders of magnitude greater than corn, and in the case of algae its grown in locations not suitable for any consumable growth.
The research into greater yields would never have come if they couldnt prove using ethanol could be viable and will eventually move towards newer processes, but dont kill a truely possible solution to fossil fuel over consumption just because you cant see beyond right now.
The research into greater yields would never have come if they couldnt prove using ethanol could be viable and will eventually move towards newer processes, but dont kill a truely possible solution to fossil fuel over consumption just because you cant see beyond right now.
Jun 20, 2011, 11:09 AM
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