I remember back in the day when I had some BMW's - including a M5 and 850i and i used to buy parts from a great tuner Dinan - who's stuff is amazing (but costly)


Only later did I discover that a lot of the stuff they had listed in their catalog they didn;t "make" or "manufacture" Like the "limited slip" rear diff for the 850 which was a off the shelf BMW M5 rear diff with a few hundred added on - and the Extrude honed stock bmw intake manifolds for the v-12 850 which I could have gotten directly - etc etc

I think what a "tuner" does is offer a service to the normal car owner who wants to go faster. The "tuner" has the info - the experience on how to make the car faster and suit a particular purpose and style of driving while mainatining dependability and durability.

To say that a "tuner" who does not produce actual parts should not be included is ridiculous

At this time we offer a lot more than reflashes - here is a short list of what we sell

Fully ported and machined race heads
Built motors
Stage One kits from my www.dynoflash.com web site
Racing rotors
Buschur parts

We also do installations and custom work on a car by car basis

In conclusion - I think it is obvious that for example - VISHNU - makes or manufactures almost NOTHING of what it sells - - it is just branding and labeling the vishnu label on something some other company made

Instead of buying brand X and putting my label on it - I choose to just install and sell Brand X directly - - or even better let my client shop around get the best price on the best parts - eg HKS or Buschur - and then i just install it and tune it

In my mind - a tuner installs parts to hop up and engine and tunes the engine to make more power

Since I have a legitamate business tuning Evos and have tuned over 282 of them - I think I qualify as an Evo tuner

 

If you would care to notice - since our telephone conversation we had the last time we spoke - I have not uttered ONE negative comment about Works products or tuning methods or anything derogatory about Works

Is it safe to assume that now I can start speaking my mind about what I think about Works ideas and what I see on the dyno when we tune Work's cars ?

 

We manufacture the following for the Evo VIII:

Tubular Manifold
Signature Series Exhaust
Vishnu Cam Gears
Shift Knobs
Camber Plates
Sway Bar
Intake Piping
Reflash Tuning Module
Intercooler(custom designed buy us, built by a major company for us)
Rear Difuser
Trunk Mounted Fuel Cell Set Up

As for the XEDE we have played an integral part in it's design, features and software for the last 18 months. As you can see we keep the branding stuff to a minimum.

 

I've said nothing derogatory, nor have I tried to censor your opinions on WORKS beyond asking that you retract your statement (and I quote): "Works sucks" -- which I deemed to be unprofessional and uncalled for given that you continue to run a WORKS' Aperture on your car and have previously spoken highly of our Brain flash.

Now as far as who does or doesn't qualify for an event like this, I said it before and I'll say it again -- I couldn't care less.

However, when it comes to whom SCC decides to invite to an event of this nature, that is up to them. My observation was a simple one. It seems to me that SCC is looking for full-service tuners -- that is, tuners who both design/manufacture/fabricate parts to make the Evo perform better, and then offer a tuning solution for making those parts work together in a cohesive manner.

Whether you feel that Vishnu is no more qualified than yourself to participate is not my business. I merely offered my opinion of what a magazine like SCC might be relying on as its criteria for choosing its participants.

-- DavidV

 

I know you too well!! back scratcher I can pull 2+ pages of threads of yours blowing enough steam up Works to fill the compressor of a 1910 SanFran trolly car now your treatening to recant? Whats your cleints going to say then? Cant count on confusion and ignorance forever Bro. You pay the piper sooner or later

Can I download the heavy petting with BR off the XXX page?

 

If SCC wants to call it a parts "manufacturer" shootout - then it would seem like people like AEM, HKS, AMS, UR, Pruven, Buschur, etc etc etc are the ones who are actually MAKING parts

To me - the other "tuners" who claim to make parts - just have the stuff made somewhere else and then slap their name on it

Somehow - i find it hard to imagine Shiv with a pipe bending machine and a welding torch - I know he didnt make the upipes he used to sell the WRX crew - - the same units were being sold by other suppliers

When Pruven or Buschur sell thier intercooler - its MADE by them - they weld it together

Its an interesting debate - - but we are getting lost in semantics - bottom line is SCC is not going to let me into the contest becuase I am at odds with their pal Shiv and hence therefore - I'll have to set up and organize my OWN tuner shootout in the near future - WHERE ALL tuners of evos will be allowed to enter

When i get my contest started - ANYONE will be welcome to enter - any professional who is employed in the trade of tuning evos

AND as a special bonus - i'll let the "tuners" drive their own cars so they dont wind up crashed into water trucks !

 

Come on now man, you know Al makes a lot of stuff right. Well he makes, um, well the rotors are not his, but he makes um, ya he makes, fast evo's right or something like that. Also he is right if you have enough money you can just buy the parts and go fast so I guess I am a Vishnu tuner as well as you and everyone with mods is a tuner just like Al. Hey I did upload a map into the xede.

 

Al, what's the address of YOUR SHOP and P.O. Boxes don't count. And what is the shops name, Big Al's Dynoless tuning?

 

Al, they should let you in as much as anyone else who spends a lot of money on there car. Al you make NOTHING for the evo and if you were in this it would be like kicking the others who really do make parts for the evo's in the *****.

 

Absolute fabrication there is and never was another up like the Vishnu. Point it out AL!! There are some cheap wannabe knockoffs that are nowere near a Vishnu! BTW you still upset shiv waouldnt warrenty you AL modded uppipe? I gues thats pretty close to actually fabbing it yourself Howd it workout?

 

Pruven Performance
306 and 1/16 R Boston Post Rd
Milford, Ct. 06460

In the Saddam spider hole storage shed

 

I used to rave about Work's becuase I loved the reflash and they were the 1st to offer reflash tuning on evos

Since then - i have refined the art of reflash tuning to its highest form

My reflahses are simply the best - and the best bang for the $ as well

Lets just say I have my own ideas about Work's methods of tuning as posted on their web site - (they say you can not tune on a dyno for example - and they claim the car to car variance does not exist but is attributed to dyno tuning errors) - - - also we have flashed quiet a few Work's P what ever clinets

They orgazine dyno days to install off the shelf maps - which makes NO sense to me at all - NONE

Anyway - I am trying to stay positive because Dave is a good guy and they seem to do a great job over there

BTW - I still use thier thottle body to this day - its a great unit which i highly recomend

I just disagree with their method of tuning

 

While I think having Shiv/Vishnu vs. DynoFlash in SCC would be good, it would be a lot more interesting, and tons more informative to have Vishnu, DynoFlash, Works, Buschur, etc all participate. I just bought an EVo and have some money that I want to put into upgrading her, having a comparison test of what the various tuners can do would give me a lot of usable information.

 

lol, right by the blown motor pile in the drivers seat, I mean his office with cell phone in hand.

 

But all Al has to offer is a reflash, he makes NOTHING of his own. That is why he is not in it.