Who here would like to see Vishnu vs DynoFlash in Sport Compact Car?
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I think if Al has his own shootout it will be him playing with himself. Nothing new... 
Originally posted by ajn507
Even if Al has his own tuner shootout in the Spring who is to say whether Shiv or anyone else will show?
Shiv, do you plan to attend if such an event is held?
I agree that there should be a limit in how much money could be spent, what fuel is used, and what tires are run. This would allow the customers to be able to make the best decisions on what to buy. Afterall this is all about providing the customer w/ the best possible product in terms of perfomance and value. The problem w/ this is Al already has spent some serious coin on his car. So the event would have to be set up as an all out event--- unlimited---
Alan
Even if Al has his own tuner shootout in the Spring who is to say whether Shiv or anyone else will show?
Shiv, do you plan to attend if such an event is held?
I agree that there should be a limit in how much money could be spent, what fuel is used, and what tires are run. This would allow the customers to be able to make the best decisions on what to buy. Afterall this is all about providing the customer w/ the best possible product in terms of perfomance and value. The problem w/ this is Al already has spent some serious coin on his car. So the event would have to be set up as an all out event--- unlimited---
Alan
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hostility issues?
Seriously absinthe, the last time I checked, all the cars we specialize in have something in common: fuel injected internal combustion engines.
Being primarily an EFI tuner, this is all that matters. The other differences between the cars are largely insignificant as far as engine tuning theory goes. In actual application, the only difference between tuning a 911tt and a Miata is that you need to use more straps when securing the Porsche to the dyno.
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Shiv
PS. Ron, you beat me to it
Seriously absinthe, the last time I checked, all the cars we specialize in have something in common: fuel injected internal combustion engines.
Being primarily an EFI tuner, this is all that matters. The other differences between the cars are largely insignificant as far as engine tuning theory goes. In actual application, the only difference between tuning a 911tt and a Miata is that you need to use more straps when securing the Porsche to the dyno.
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Shiv
PS. Ron, you beat me to it
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Re: Comparison Idea
Originally posted by Yellow EVO 2003
Get volunteers with box stock EVO's to volunteer their cars for tuner rebuilds. Give each tuner a week to do his best to the car. Stock tires, wheels, gearing. The only mods available would be exhausts, cams, cam gears, boost/fuel controllers, etc. In other words, only bolt-on items. Then have them tune them using whatever method they desire, ie. Xede, Dynoflash, etc. Then Race them side by side on the same day. (Clutches might have to be allowed, but that would add a ton of cost.)
Get volunteers with box stock EVO's to volunteer their cars for tuner rebuilds. Give each tuner a week to do his best to the car. Stock tires, wheels, gearing. The only mods available would be exhausts, cams, cam gears, boost/fuel controllers, etc. In other words, only bolt-on items. Then have them tune them using whatever method they desire, ie. Xede, Dynoflash, etc. Then Race them side by side on the same day. (Clutches might have to be allowed, but that would add a ton of cost.)
I'll volunteer
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Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
hostility issues?
Seriously absinthe, the last time I checked, all the cars we specialize in have something in common: fuel injected internal combustion engines.
Being primarily an EFI tuner, this is all that matters. The other differences between the cars are largely insignificant as far as engine tuning theory goes. In actual application, the only difference between tuning a 911tt and a Miata is that you need to use more straps when securing the Porsche to the dyno.
Regards
Shiv
PS. Ron, you beat me to it
hostility issues?
Seriously absinthe, the last time I checked, all the cars we specialize in have something in common: fuel injected internal combustion engines.
Being primarily an EFI tuner, this is all that matters. The other differences between the cars are largely insignificant as far as engine tuning theory goes. In actual application, the only difference between tuning a 911tt and a Miata is that you need to use more straps when securing the Porsche to the dyno.
Regards
Shiv
PS. Ron, you beat me to it
If thats the only difference between a Porsche and a miata I hope no one on those porsche boards gives you the test mule your asking for, and I would love to know why they have such a difference in price.
Originally posted by DynoKing
I think if Al has his own shootout it will be him playing with himself. Nothing new...
I think if Al has his own shootout it will be him playing with himself. Nothing new...
Too many of you guys make Evo tuning out to be the Second Cold War. Crap, they are just little engines that a lot of people can tune the **** out of. I picked Vishnu for a variety of reasons that suited my particular needs. If I lived on the east coast I probably would have picked a different tuner. I wanted a tuner that was used to tuning on 91 octane. I wanted mods that could be easily put back to stock if needed. Whether RnR, Buscher, Vishnu, or Works can make 500 whp with bolt ons doesn't do anything for me except give me a reason to buy a 5 dollar magazine to look at the results.
Finally, it is really obvious that Al doesn't REALLY want to go to this SCC gig because he has been HARSHLY BADMOUTHING the editors regularly in this thread. If it was my mag I'd shut him out for logical and emotional reasons.
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Originally posted by Ron
Uhm, absinthe? Vishnu's core business is as an engine tuner. All those cars you mention, last I checked, have engines. Engines that can be [gasp] tuned [/gasp].
Uhm, absinthe? Vishnu's core business is as an engine tuner. All those cars you mention, last I checked, have engines. Engines that can be [gasp] tuned [/gasp].
turbo inline 4
inline four
flat six
all built differently by companies who have different philosophies that you cant hope to understand and fully compliment if you are busy trying to figure out which new car will be hot so you can mildly improve it to make a buck...oh yeah and slap R compounds on so it handles.
Simply opening a 911 If you have yet will let you know that just because it has a motor doesnt mean it can be tuned well. they dont leave the same kind of things on the table the mitsubishi and subaru do.
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I just realized in reading my posts I have been overly hostile. take everything I said down an octive. I just wanted to raise a few points I frequently see missed.
Like when tunners show up for a shoot and dont all have comparable equipment, and that specialty shops are generally better at the specific models that they build than guys that do multiple models from multiple manufactures. this is a point that I doubt you will conceed because of your tendacey to blast old school tuners when you foray into you next car.
Like when tunners show up for a shoot and dont all have comparable equipment, and that specialty shops are generally better at the specific models that they build than guys that do multiple models from multiple manufactures. this is a point that I doubt you will conceed because of your tendacey to blast old school tuners when you foray into you next car.
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
If they won't let me into the Evo tuner shootout - its OK with me . . . . .
If they won't let me into the Evo tuner shootout - its OK with me . . . . .
The lady doth protest too much...
Here's my suggestion. Instead of letting them all bring their own Evos, let them all tune the same Evo and see who gets the most out of it. All Evo tuners should be invited and each should bring their system to be installed on the same Evo and allowed a reasonable amount of time to get it tuned on a dyno. The results would remain sealed from the participants until after they are all done competing. That would show once and for all who is the tuning king.
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You missed one he said he ****'s the evo too 
What most of the guys on here don't understand - this Evo is my blood - I live, sleep and **** Evos. Its my hobby, its my lifestyle and its my business - NOT becuase I am trying to make money doing it - BUt becuase I enjoy doing it and can make a few $ in the process
What most of the guys on here don't understand - this Evo is my blood - I live, sleep and **** Evos. Its my hobby, its my lifestyle and its my business - NOT becuase I am trying to make money doing it - BUt becuase I enjoy doing it and can make a few $ in the process
Originally posted by Cannonballer
No obviously it is not. Else you would not be posting in this thread. Instead you would be driving the evo you live, sleep, and breath.
The lady doth protest too much...
No obviously it is not. Else you would not be posting in this thread. Instead you would be driving the evo you live, sleep, and breath.
The lady doth protest too much...
Originally posted by EVO Neil
Here's my suggestion. Instead of letting them all bring their own Evos, let them all tune the same Evo and see who gets the most out of it. All Evo tuners should be invited and each should bring their system to be installed on the same Evo and allowed a reasonable amount of time to get it tuned on a dyno. The results would remain sealed from the participants until after they are all done competing. That would show once and for all who is the tuning king.
Here's my suggestion. Instead of letting them all bring their own Evos, let them all tune the same Evo and see who gets the most out of it. All Evo tuners should be invited and each should bring their system to be installed on the same Evo and allowed a reasonable amount of time to get it tuned on a dyno. The results would remain sealed from the participants until after they are all done competing. That would show once and for all who is the tuning king.
the whole deal was that shiv and al race thier cars against each other at the track. period. no other rules
run what you brung. everyone said that he could trailer the car there but Al said that he was going to drive the car.
lets not make this any harder/more complicated than it should be.
Tom
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Al is scared and does not want to show, he just wanted to get his big *** in SCC and I don't think he ever wanted to challange Shiv, **** man the track was paid for I was going to buy everyone lunch and dinner and we even were talking about putting up some money to pay to have his car shipped. Al is all talk and in the end pussed out. Nice one big Al
DynoFlash ALL talk and NO action
DynoFlash ALL talk and NO action
Originally posted by tom@kartboy
he'd still find a way to talk his way out of it...
the whole deal was that shiv and al race thier cars against each other at the track. period. no other rules
run what you brung. everyone said that he could trailer the car there but Al said that he was going to drive the car.
lets not make this any harder/more complicated than it should be.
Tom
he'd still find a way to talk his way out of it...
the whole deal was that shiv and al race thier cars against each other at the track. period. no other rules
run what you brung. everyone said that he could trailer the car there but Al said that he was going to drive the car.
lets not make this any harder/more complicated than it should be.
Tom
Originally posted by EVO Neil
Here's my suggestion. Instead of letting them all bring their own Evos, let them all tune the same Evo and see who gets the most out of it. All Evo tuners should be invited and each should bring their system to be installed on the same Evo and allowed a reasonable amount of time to get it tuned on a dyno. The results would remain sealed from the participants until after they are all done competing. That would show once and for all who is the tuning king.
Here's my suggestion. Instead of letting them all bring their own Evos, let them all tune the same Evo and see who gets the most out of it. All Evo tuners should be invited and each should bring their system to be installed on the same Evo and allowed a reasonable amount of time to get it tuned on a dyno. The results would remain sealed from the participants until after they are all done competing. That would show once and for all who is the tuning king.
The car could be base line dynoed before and after each tuning session to make sure everybody has the same material to work from. Then they could each tune the car using predetermined mods or methods to make sure that no undue advantage is used by one ort the other. That would show definitely whose methods are the best. Anything else is just talk and BS.....