Who here would like to see Vishnu vs DynoFlash in Sport Compact Car?
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
Somehow - i find it hard to imagine Shiv with a pipe bending machine and a welding torch - I know he didnt make the upipes he used to sell the WRX crew - - the same units were being sold by other suppliers
Somehow - i find it hard to imagine Shiv with a pipe bending machine and a welding torch - I know he didnt make the upipes he used to sell the WRX crew - - the same units were being sold by other suppliers
Its an interesting debate - - but we are getting lost in semantics - bottom line is SCC is not going to let me into the contest becuase I am at odds with their pal Shiv
AND as a special bonus - i'll let the "tuners" drive their own cars so they dont wind up crashed into water trucks !
The only thing that could possibly be better is piggy-backing another challenge contingent upon getting into said magazine test which he knew he had little chance in attending. So when he doesn't get invited, he can cry about two events which where unfairly stolen from him. Oh wait... he already did that with the whole fender to fender racing on a roadcourse bluff.
Cheers,
shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Jan 3, 2004 at 11:13 PM.
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You guys sure do make some good parts! The defuser is going to be great for the track, also what are you using for the coil over setup? I was looking at Moton, should I wait?
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
I haven't weighed it yet since the first few prototypes are already on cars. I suspect it won't weigh more than 4-5lbs though. As for price, ask us in Feb when we actually get our first batch ready for sale. I'd hate to give prices at this time only to be off when the time comes..
Cheers,
shiv
I haven't weighed it yet since the first few prototypes are already on cars. I suspect it won't weigh more than 4-5lbs though. As for price, ask us in Feb when we actually get our first batch ready for sale. I'd hate to give prices at this time only to be off when the time comes..
Cheers,
shiv
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
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At this time we offer a lot more than reflashes - here is a short list of what we sell
Fully ported and machined race heads
Built motors
Stage One kits from my www.dynoflash.com web site
Racing rotors
Buschur parts
We also do installations and custom work on a car by car basis
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At this time we offer a lot more than reflashes - here is a short list of what we sell
Fully ported and machined race heads
Built motors
Stage One kits from my www.dynoflash.com web site
Racing rotors
Buschur parts
We also do installations and custom work on a car by car basis
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Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Man, if I had a dollar for each lie in this post, I wouldn't need to work
You're class act Al
Shiv
Man, if I had a dollar for each lie in this post, I wouldn't need to work
You're class act Al
Shiv
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Cha-ching! Another dollar made-- thanks Al
Cha-ching!! Keep it coming...
This is a fabulous technique of persausion, Al. Insult the editors of the magazine repeatedly, spread lies about everyone who is participating, be the biggest pest possible and then pray that the magazine doesn't let you in. THEN... go to the internet, cry and whine to people who don't know any better about how the magazine is playing favorites and how, if you were allowed to participate, you would win because you were the 1/4 king back before people really cared.
The only thing that could possibly be better is piggy-backing another challenge contingent upon getting into said magazine test which you know you had no chance in attending. So when you don't get in, you can cry about two events which "the man" kept you out of.
Way to go Al!
Cheers,
shiv
Cha-ching! Another dollar made-- thanks Al
Cha-ching!! Keep it coming...
This is a fabulous technique of persausion, Al. Insult the editors of the magazine repeatedly, spread lies about everyone who is participating, be the biggest pest possible and then pray that the magazine doesn't let you in. THEN... go to the internet, cry and whine to people who don't know any better about how the magazine is playing favorites and how, if you were allowed to participate, you would win because you were the 1/4 king back before people really cared.
The only thing that could possibly be better is piggy-backing another challenge contingent upon getting into said magazine test which you know you had no chance in attending. So when you don't get in, you can cry about two events which "the man" kept you out of.
Way to go Al!
Cheers,
shiv
You should start a comedy section in there Shiv - tyou sure can write some funny stuf!!!
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Originally posted by DynoKing
You guys sure do make some good parts! The defuser is going to be great for the track, also what are you using for the coil over setup? I was looking at Moton, should I wait?
You guys sure do make some good parts! The defuser is going to be great for the track, also what are you using for the coil over setup? I was looking at Moton, should I wait?
Cheers,
shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Jan 3, 2004 at 06:06 PM.
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AL's right about Dinnan they use a lot of parts you can easily source from other places for way less.
as for the shoot out if they are only inviting people who also make parts then they should only be able to use those parts...that wont work.
Perhaps then only the parts they sell?
this is just all so messy.
As for AL and SHIV they both appear to be know it all's who wont consider other ways of doing anything.
Al- has a shop thats not his and sells very few parts. Particularly limiting as a full service shop. I think its pretty cool you have a streetable 10 second Evo but given the right resources any one could do it. Reselling is great, but tunners big time tunners who get in to these things because mags have no choice, need: own shop, more than 1 product, hell build some strut bars and a cat back, re-valve some shocks for drag racing and brand them and you in until then you'll not get shut out. Look up the name steve wong you'll see that due to his chip only product line even though many people respect his work he is never called for porsche tunning events.
Shiv- has a tendancy to cheat at these comparo things. Look at the Spank the STI challenge he rolled in or R compounds ran two cars on street tires and proclaimed himself the king of handeling...kinda BS. and I know they could have come on R compnds but how many people roll those on the street. He also has a tendancy to get in these arguments..with trey cobb in the WRX world, Wroks, dyno flash he has scolded them all because they dont conform to his ideas. This is really frustrating because they have the ability to be a great shop. BUT they first tuned Miata's, then SUbie's now Evo's I know he's trying to push into the Porsche world...its too many totally different cars you cant be the king of all of them its not possible he must be good at one of them focus on that one and you will get more respect. You dont see Dinnan tuning Audi, RuF tunning Evo's, Renntech working on Jag's.
as for the shoot out if they are only inviting people who also make parts then they should only be able to use those parts...that wont work.
Perhaps then only the parts they sell?
this is just all so messy.
As for AL and SHIV they both appear to be know it all's who wont consider other ways of doing anything.
Al- has a shop thats not his and sells very few parts. Particularly limiting as a full service shop. I think its pretty cool you have a streetable 10 second Evo but given the right resources any one could do it. Reselling is great, but tunners big time tunners who get in to these things because mags have no choice, need: own shop, more than 1 product, hell build some strut bars and a cat back, re-valve some shocks for drag racing and brand them and you in until then you'll not get shut out. Look up the name steve wong you'll see that due to his chip only product line even though many people respect his work he is never called for porsche tunning events.
Shiv- has a tendancy to cheat at these comparo things. Look at the Spank the STI challenge he rolled in or R compounds ran two cars on street tires and proclaimed himself the king of handeling...kinda BS. and I know they could have come on R compnds but how many people roll those on the street. He also has a tendancy to get in these arguments..with trey cobb in the WRX world, Wroks, dyno flash he has scolded them all because they dont conform to his ideas. This is really frustrating because they have the ability to be a great shop. BUT they first tuned Miata's, then SUbie's now Evo's I know he's trying to push into the Porsche world...its too many totally different cars you cant be the king of all of them its not possible he must be good at one of them focus on that one and you will get more respect. You dont see Dinnan tuning Audi, RuF tunning Evo's, Renntech working on Jag's.
Last edited by absinthe; Jan 3, 2004 at 06:18 PM.
I agree with your comment on sticking to one thing and doing it really well, especially when it comes to cars.
I agree with the below quote. I think the Shootout should be between established tuners/shops.
Originally posted by MP5
Mr. Jacquot if your actually reading this I would like to commend your decision of includinf ALL the major tuners of the new USDM EVO. The petition for Al Freidman to enter the upcoming tuner challenge is a compliment from his clients, but the fact remains the field you have assembled is of the finest in the country. These are tuners with years of service in the industry and a good sampling from different fields of racing. In other words they have earned a challenge among the other elite in the field. Mr Friedman has come to fame by enlisting some of the very tuners you are featuring to help build his current and past offering.
This is the actual difference and should be noted. Mr. Feidman has declared himself a tuner only four short months ago.
I feel that his entry would actually be much closer to a customer car than actually a staged, on the market tuner car that the other gentlemen will be displaying. As you have already summized this will bring prosperity to the competing tuners as well as increased sales and marketing in your magazine. If Mr. Friedman is allowed to participate against the top tuning shops then many customers would love being placed in the company of such tuners that took years of hard work to get invited to sit at the table with the others
Mr. Jacquot if your actually reading this I would like to commend your decision of includinf ALL the major tuners of the new USDM EVO. The petition for Al Freidman to enter the upcoming tuner challenge is a compliment from his clients, but the fact remains the field you have assembled is of the finest in the country. These are tuners with years of service in the industry and a good sampling from different fields of racing. In other words they have earned a challenge among the other elite in the field. Mr Friedman has come to fame by enlisting some of the very tuners you are featuring to help build his current and past offering.
This is the actual difference and should be noted. Mr. Feidman has declared himself a tuner only four short months ago.
I feel that his entry would actually be much closer to a customer car than actually a staged, on the market tuner car that the other gentlemen will be displaying. As you have already summized this will bring prosperity to the competing tuners as well as increased sales and marketing in your magazine. If Mr. Friedman is allowed to participate against the top tuning shops then many customers would love being placed in the company of such tuners that took years of hard work to get invited to sit at the table with the others
Well, it looks like there will not be a comparo or competition between Dynoflash & Vishnu. That's too bad, this would be a good thing for the potential clients.
The EVO owners deserve to see the end results (the facts if you will) about these different approaches at modifying the cars. It sure would be nice to see what's what, who makes the most power and the best powerbands.
The best part would be to see and understand what your hard earned (or othewise obtained) dollars will buy. I've been somewhat disappointed by stuff and products I've bought before. Some were extremely well hyped and covered with names of self-styled gurus (some with very large followings). I'd like to see some meaninful data that show the EVO owner where to spend money.
If somebody wants to buy certain products because of a name, that's fine, but some of us don't have as much money as others. Maybe it should be acceptable for EVO owners to try and get a good bang for their bucks..... Too bad we wont get a chance to evaluate Dynoflash vs. Xede.....
The EVO owners deserve to see the end results (the facts if you will) about these different approaches at modifying the cars. It sure would be nice to see what's what, who makes the most power and the best powerbands.
The best part would be to see and understand what your hard earned (or othewise obtained) dollars will buy. I've been somewhat disappointed by stuff and products I've bought before. Some were extremely well hyped and covered with names of self-styled gurus (some with very large followings). I'd like to see some meaninful data that show the EVO owner where to spend money.
If somebody wants to buy certain products because of a name, that's fine, but some of us don't have as much money as others. Maybe it should be acceptable for EVO owners to try and get a good bang for their bucks..... Too bad we wont get a chance to evaluate Dynoflash vs. Xede.....
Originally posted by absinthe
Shiv- has a tendancy to cheat at these comparo things. Look at the Spank the STI challenge he rolled in or R compounds ran two cars on street tires and proclaimed himself the king of handeling...kinda BS.
Shiv- has a tendancy to cheat at these comparo things. Look at the Spank the STI challenge he rolled in or R compounds ran two cars on street tires and proclaimed himself the king of handeling...kinda BS.
even bald ones in the wet at "low boost" right shiv
Originally posted by absinthe
AL's right about Dinnan they use a lot of parts you can easily source from other places for way less.
as for the shoot out if they are only inviting people who also make parts then they should only be able to use those parts...that wont work.
Perhaps then only the parts they sell?
this is just all so messy.
As for AL and SHIV they both appear to be know it all's who wont consider other ways of doing anything.
Al- has a shop thats not his and sells very few parts. Particularly limiting as a full service shop. I think its pretty cool you have a streetable 10 second Evo but given the right resources any one could do it. Reselling is great, but tunners big time tunners who get in to these things because mags have no choice, need: own shop, more than 1 product, hell build some strut bars and a cat back, re-valve some shocks for drag racing and brand them and you in until then you'll not get shut out. Look up the name steve wong you'll see that due to his chip only product line even though many people respect his work he is never called for porsche tunning events.
Shiv- has a tendancy to cheat at these comparo things. Look at the Spank the STI challenge he rolled in or R compounds ran two cars on street tires and proclaimed himself the king of handeling...kinda BS. and I know they could have come on R compnds but how many people roll those on the street. He also has a tendancy to get in these arguments..with trey cobb in the WRX world, Wroks, dyno flash he has scolded them all because they dont conform to his ideas. This is really frustrating because they have the ability to be a great shop. BUT they first tuned Miata's, then SUbie's now Evo's I know he's trying to push into the Porsche world...its too many totally different cars you cant be the king of all of them its not possible he must be good at one of them focus on that one and you will get more respect. You dont see Dinnan tuning Audi, RuF tunning Evo's, Renntech working on Jag's.
AL's right about Dinnan they use a lot of parts you can easily source from other places for way less.
as for the shoot out if they are only inviting people who also make parts then they should only be able to use those parts...that wont work.
Perhaps then only the parts they sell?
this is just all so messy.
As for AL and SHIV they both appear to be know it all's who wont consider other ways of doing anything.
Al- has a shop thats not his and sells very few parts. Particularly limiting as a full service shop. I think its pretty cool you have a streetable 10 second Evo but given the right resources any one could do it. Reselling is great, but tunners big time tunners who get in to these things because mags have no choice, need: own shop, more than 1 product, hell build some strut bars and a cat back, re-valve some shocks for drag racing and brand them and you in until then you'll not get shut out. Look up the name steve wong you'll see that due to his chip only product line even though many people respect his work he is never called for porsche tunning events.
Shiv- has a tendancy to cheat at these comparo things. Look at the Spank the STI challenge he rolled in or R compounds ran two cars on street tires and proclaimed himself the king of handeling...kinda BS. and I know they could have come on R compnds but how many people roll those on the street. He also has a tendancy to get in these arguments..with trey cobb in the WRX world, Wroks, dyno flash he has scolded them all because they dont conform to his ideas. This is really frustrating because they have the ability to be a great shop. BUT they first tuned Miata's, then SUbie's now Evo's I know he's trying to push into the Porsche world...its too many totally different cars you cant be the king of all of them its not possible he must be good at one of them focus on that one and you will get more respect. You dont see Dinnan tuning Audi, RuF tunning Evo's, Renntech working on Jag's.
What most of the guys on here don't understand - this Evo is my blood - I live, sleep and **** Evos. Its my hobby, its my lifestyle and its my business - NOT becuase I am trying to make money doing it - BUt becuase I enjoy doing it and can make a few $ in the process
You wont see me tuning slowbaru's, lotus or any other kinds of cars
If they won't let me into the Evo tuner shootout - its OK with me . . . . .
Like I said - I'm going to put together the Evo shootout of ALL time - an event that people will remember for a LONG time to come . . . its in the works already - and yes - Shiv will be invited also !
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I agree that Vishnu and Al are top tuners, but not mentioning David Buscher is criminal. Al is a great tuner, but only runs 11.50's with a load of nitrous. David and Shiv have run 11.60's on gas. If you want to know who the best STREET tuner is, have them on gas with stock turbos. That would show who was the best tuner. Most of us don't have $10-15,000 to put into our cars. It tells me nothing when I hear that someone has put a fortune in his car and runs 11's.