forget your fp turbos lol I'm getting front facing! front facing FTW!

 

keep stock turbo lol

 

For thoise thinking of stock get the Green. It spools almost as fast and will make 420WHP on pump, that is a FUN car. The torque is insane.

 

I do agree $2500 for a freaking turbo!!

 

i dont have a bb black... as a matter of fact, i do think its a pretty penny for a turbo. i HATED the thought of a stock frame turbo (i dont know why) but now i have 2.3l stroker setup with a fp black (non bb). strokers are not (traditionally) built to rev high where a big turbo is made to shine... so after tons of research... the fp turbos are made to spool quicker and i can make use of the powerband! the bb versions are made to spool even quicker and there is a longevity aspect to it as well. its a $500 upgrade from the non bb versions... but its the same price of an upgrade than what you will pay on ANY other turbo.

yes its pricey... and i cant believe im saying this but ITS WORTH IT!!!

 

It does not make it spool quicker, it just has quicker transient response between shifts and should have longer longevity.

 

Yes, the double ball bearing version will spool faster than it's journal bearing counterpart.


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I thought the spool difference won't be enough to say it spools faster. Did Robert say it will spool faster?

 

hey... if it spools 300rpm sooner... it SPOOLS QUICKER.. lol

tscompusa just did one not too long ago and he did notice a difference in spool time. ball bearing turbos as a rule of thumb spool quicker.

 

BB is generally better then JB all around. If there is a BB option I would pay the extra to do it.

 

^^^agreed!

 

does anyone know how long FP takes to rebuild a red with shaft play? they say 3 weeks, but I dont want my car down for months.

 

It depends, could be 2 days, or 3 weeks. I've experienced both.


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For years, Evo owners have lamented the fact that a ball bearing stock frame turbo could only be obtained from Europe, with a substantial down time and expense. Some people did that anyway.

Now that FP has spent two years developing a revolutionary new ceramic double ball bearing center section from scratch, there's always someone who complains about the cost. That's a shame, when a vendor goes the second mile to develop and manufacture a superior product for a (relatively) small market vehicle.

We have FP to thank for the original concept of improving stock frame turbos. Over the years, they've designed and manufactured their own parts to improve the quality and availability of stock frame based higher performance turbos. Seven years ago, the performance turbo options from FP we take for granted today didn't even exist. The entire performance enhanced stock turbo market was driven by the FP Green, Red, and more recently, the FP Black.

Everyone who takes chooses to invent, develop, manufacture and market a product takes a large personal financial risk. People and companies who do so to target a small market like the Evolution take an even bigger one, because they don't have 250,000 potential customers to spread the development cost over. Garrett, BW, and other OEM turbo manufacturers make their turbos by the tens of thousands, and could care less about small niche markets like ours. If something they make happens to fit, it's not by targeted focus.

We should be very happy these new FP products exist. The additional cost for a superior double ball bearing center section cartridge is well worth it. Every one of us has options available for turbos and turbo systems. If you don't like the price that FP sets for their product, then you can buy a different product, or stay with your stock turbo setup. You get what you choose, and you get what you pay for. For my money, FP is the best out there in performance and customer service, and for their commitment to the Evo market.

If you think you can build a better combination for the same money, give it a whirl. There's always someone who "has a friend who can build" the parts they need for free, but that's not a fair comparison for most of us. Overall, the FP turbos are the best price option out there for a lot of us, because they require so few additional parts purchases...

 

Amen to that. The price is really not too bad, especially considering how much longer it will possibly last.

The only reason I didn't go with a FP turbo is because of all the failures I hear about, and poor CS to back it up.

My next turbo will probably be one of these, and probably wont have to worry about CS with the new design.