Background Summary:
- Stock block crapped out, still runs but I have 35% leakage so its drives fine but cant make power
- Was gonna get my motor built + other stuff but didnt wanna burden myself financially to go that route
- found someone who has a stock block for a very reasonable price so may go that route. ER has quoted me great to get my motor back in order.

Current Situation:
Basically just like everyone, I wanna make my car as powerful as possible but not risk my block popping again

Here are my current mods:

TBE
ETS 3.5 Intercooler Piping
ETS Long Route Upper IC (replacing w/ short route)
ETS Lower IC
MAP Ported Stock Manifold
MAP o2 Housing
FIC 950cc Injectors
Grimspeed 3port BCS
JB FP Red
GSC S2 Cams (not installed, in a box at home)
Cylinder Head w/ Supertech Springs and Retainers (not installed, has low mileage on it, putting it on the new block)

I get alot of mixed reponses on getting to 480-500whp on a FP Red w/ pump gas. I cannot do E85, No Race gas and trying to avoid meth.

Questions:

- Is this goal achievable on DBB Red? Is it too risky?
- If so, what supporting mods are needed? What should be replaced?
> Tubular I believe would be needed
> o2 Dump i believe
> Spoolin up cop i believe
> Bigger Injectors i believe
- Anything else? IM/TB? Ported Head?

Suggestions, Comments,etc would be fantastic!! Just need to figure out whats needed so i can start saving!

Thank you!

 

I think all the extra mods you posted will help you get there.
If your going to rebuild go the stroker route.

Your HP goals are also limited by the type of fuel you choose to run.
93 will only get you so far.

 

I know I have a huge hate-on w/ Canada for not having E85!! I was thinking of going DBB Black but im a response type of guy. Also I've seen all too many threads of guys running black and popping there stock block.

I wanna be smart this time around. I know one day I will build but if the goal isnt obtainable now, then i'll work w/ what I can. Im not gonna be one of those guys who gets the # but there car isnt all that reliable. Ya know?!

 

I would think your gonna be more prone to blowing the stocker on a red, then on a black. The delay in spool (lag) is going to help you keep your torque down. From what I've read, the rod bolts are the weak link. Then the rods themselves. Alot of it is going to be in the tune obviously. You can tune that red to hit later but its still not gonna carry as much up top as the black will. In the end, with you still having a running engine (core) currently, I bet you could build a bottom end for "about" as much as your going to pick up a used short block. A decent rod and piston combo would run maybe >$1000 depending on what you buy. Bearings are $100. Misc items and machine work, depending on what would need to be done to the damaged cylinder, would probably be in the $500 range. Id say at that point your ready for well over 500 with no worries of your engine coming apart. Just my .02...

 

- Is this goal achievable on DBB Red?
on pump gas it will be difficult. I would say 450 seems pretty reasonable. 475 maybe. But 490-500... probably need an FP Black.

- If so, what supporting mods are needed? What should be replaced?
> Tubular I believe would be needed
> o2 Dump i believe
> Spoolin up cop i believe
> Bigger Injectors i believe
- Anything else? IM/TB? Ported Head?

A bigger turbo

Suggestions, Comments,etc would be fantastic!! Just need to figure out whats needed so i can start saving!

2 different paths you can go here. To make the 500whp on pump you can change everything but the turbo... or you can change the turbo. If you're going for bank for buck.... buy a BB FP Black and make 500whp on pump gas and don't do anything that might reduce the driveability of your car.

That being said... s2's are a GREAT set of cams. I would prefer the Kiggly valve springs to the Supertechs. For 500whp for a long time... I would have ER do a simple drop in build. Eagles and Wiseco HD's. Cheap, but better than stock!

 

Its a good $2500 savings to go w/ the stock block choice. Also if I did decide to go w/ built block I still have to get all these extra mods to get to my power goal. I rather go this route, add a few fun things, utilize this block for a couple years (pay debt off ,etc etc) then be financially free to build a motor and have the supporting mods as well.

 

I'll talk to Myles and see how much extra it is to do that. The block im looking at is already machined and what not.

From your opinion, is the DBB Black that much laggier then a JB Red (Trying to visualize). The DBB Black vs DBB Red are same price so its gonna boil down to which one i pull the trigger on.

Im definatley going to do tubular, o2 dump and spoolin up cop.

 

I think for your power goals its insanity to throw another stock block in the car. 480-500 whp is going to strain a stock motor, period. If you are already paying labor to have the motor yanked and replaced, why not spend the money now rather than pay again down the line to pull the motor and put a built motor in when that stock block blows. At the very least do drop-in pistons/rods.

 

lol! No I understand your point. I was seeing if its doable. As I said I dont wanna strain it.

Regarding just building it, this block is already machined so all im paying for is assembly and install which isnt all that much. Its the little things you dont think about when doing a build and stuff adds up quick!

So as you and Ernie stated, about drop in pistons/rods, if pricing isnt too bad added into the price, then ill prolly go black.

If not, Ill stick w/ Red and so 450iish power and enjoy it! I do mainly street and time attack type driving anyways

 

keep the torque down and rev it out. DBB FP Black. Aaron can tune it to make the power. It will have more lag, but it's transient response will be on par with a JB Red. I think you'll like it.