I'm brand new to threads in general so I'm fairly certain this is in the wrong place (if someone wanted to mive it to the right place that would be awesome) but here's my question: I'm looking at getting my first evo, its an 03 that has a lot of mods. I personally am fine with everything that's been done to it but he's claiming it makes mid 500whp on pump and mid 700whp on e85. However, he has no dyno numbers to prove this. Basically what I'm asking is does this setup look capable of these numbers, and how drivable street wise would something like this be? I currently have a 91 z28 that is completely stock and makes 340tq at the crank, would this evo be way more ridiculous of a car and would it even be capable of being a daily? Also roughly how much has been invested into a job like this? I don't want to pay too much Here's what he's done to this thing:

Fully built 2.3 stroker
Full race exhaust manifold
Twin 46mm precision gates
Full race downpipe
Precision 6466 twin scroll turbo
Ams spec ross pistons
Oliver rods
4g64 crank
acl bearings
Stm ported intake manifold
Buschur ported throttle body
Tomei 270 cams
Super tech dual Springs
Super tech retainers
Bigger valves
Tial bov
toxic fab black powder coated UICP and lower
2150cc injectors
4 bar omni map sensor
Iat sensor
Aftermarket cam gears with grade 8 bolts
Gates timing belt
Kiggly oil pressure regulator
Fluidyne crank damper
Fresh plugs
New oil change
buschur double pumper fuel setup with -8 feed
return through stock feed line (-6)
Flex fuel sensor
Shepard bushwacker trans
custom oil catch with dual -10 an lines
ets mini battery kit
Stainless brake lines
Goodridge clutch line
Torque solutions rear mount
Perrin stealth fmic
stm half radiator with 1600cfm electric fan
4 inch intake
Tactrix tuning cable
quarter master v drive 7.25 twin plate clutch
Lowered on stance coilovers
fitronic auto adjusting ecu setup for e-85
Blitz turbo timer
fitronic ecu dash mounted monitor
Carbonetics lsd
Full ets 3.5 exhaust
upper radiator core support and legs

 

Sounds reasonable as far as mods and numbers go. As far as being enjoyed on the street, I highly doubt you would like it. This also sounds like a potential headache.

 

Agreed, if the guy has receipts for all the work done, that would be a small plus.

Think it of it like this. That car looks like something made for on a track. If the buyer tells you otherwise, I would be very suspicious. If you have a local EVO forum, ask around the members there if they have seen that EVO before.

If its frequently autocrossed or tracked, they will know.

Yes it would WAY more ridiculous. 340 to the crank on a RWD car would probably yield 280-300 to the wheels (rough estimate). An AWD car with 500 to the wheels would make like 600+ at the crank. That Evo will literally eat your Z28 alive. I don't have a car with that kind of power, but I have several friends who do. There are also quite a few members here who daily their high HP EVOs. I'm not sure how bumpy or clunky the ride would feel. I would test drive it first to find out.

 

Thanks for all the replies! I know things will break on this car, I just plan on babying it hoping less things will be affected then. Unfortunately I live in Montana and I've only seen 2 evo 8/9's so the community is not that big. I would be traveling 3 hours just to look at this one. There are so many wrx's for sale but I've heard that the transmissions are terrible and it's almost impossible to find any wrx or even sti that's stock. How much would you guys say a car like this is worth? The body and paint look perfect and the chassis has 120k. Also about how much would you say went into building a car like this? Thanks

 

You don't buy an EVO to baby it. I bet this EVO was abused to high hell. Get a compression test on those cylinders and let a nearby tuner inspect the car before you buy. The PPI costs about 100 dollars or slightly more.

Same boat for almost everyone. You really have to widen your search to find the perfect Evo. I'm in that same predicament.

I would say its mostly untrue. It's reverse in WRX land. The 5 speeds are meh and the 6 speeds are grenade proof. I have a WRX 5 speed and on a e85 tune, I'm making about 360 WTQ. No problems yet with the transmission. I wouldn't want to go higher than that though especially on the stock clutch.

The STI has a great tranny, I would dare say most EvOM members would agree. Its the EJ engine that sucks. If you want to spend the $$$ on a car that can make more than 400whp, get the EVO. Forget about the STI. Hell the SRT4 can make big power on the stock block. But nobody wants a SRT4.

Worth is relative. I would never ever buy a car with that many mods without at least knowing the owner. I promise you this car will be trouble in the near future. As a result, I wouldn't buy it for 14K.

The car does have some nice parts, and parts alone, its easily into the 15K-20K+ territory.

 

Thanks for all the help you've given me. Evo8426 said that I probably would not enjoy the car for the street. Is this because of the power? And if so would an ap allow me to turn that down a little bit?

 

You won't enjoy it on the street because that big turbo will be laggy, even on a 2.3 you're not going to see full until you're above 5,500 rpm.
I would not buy this car without a thorough inspection from an Evo shop, and all receipts for the build.

 

it might be the biggest fun car you will ever own or the biggest nightmare and money sink you will ever own. Not for the inexperience with no mechanical knowledge of Evo's. If I was going to buy something like this I wouldn't even dream of it without taking it to a known Evo shop for a full mech report and that includes all the mods to be checked. Common sense approach start off small and work up, yes it might mean tavelling to find a small modded Evo but it will be worth it in the long run.

 

Did you people not read?

Skip the car.

#1, I wouldn't get a high-HP evo as your first. More HP = less reliable once you're up in that 500+ range

#2 big no-no. If the car were properly tuned, unless it were street-tuned which is rare, it would have dyno numbers. Yes the car looks capable of making those numbers, but I'd stay away.



Regardless, that's a big turbo, it lags, and it won't be fun to daily I don't think. A 400WHP car that spools by 3000-3500 would be a lot more fun that a big turbo car that spools around 4.5k.

just my .02



for price, there's a well-built evo 9 in WA selling for 28k that makes ~800whp. I wouldn't pay over 24 for this one, but i also wouldn't buy it unless he also has receipts for work and parts.

 

Agreed. Keep in mind that a car like this will need regular and specialized maintenance. Not something your buddy at Pep Boys can provide.

So unless you have someone local (in Montana? It's possible but check references) or plan to tow it twice a year to Denver, walk away.

 

We do have a gut local in my city by the name of mikey card. Supposedly he's a 4g63 specialist

 

I would pass on this evo, personally. It's gone through a pretty extensive build putting out a lot of power, I would require a lot of receipts and paperwork to corroborate the quality of the work. I would also take it to a shop specializing in evos for a full PPI.
If you're not familiar with the platform, buying a highly modded car will turn into an expensive headache very quickly.