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Not that these turbocharged 2 liter's are known for neck-snapping response, but check if your throttle cable has a lot of slack in it. Mine was pretty bad and when I was done tightening it up all the way at the throttle body the pedal didn't reach the stock plastic stopper lol. I have since replaced the stock stopper with a basic 3D printed one and it works very well.
really good feedback. I appreciate this!! I will try this as soon as I dive in. I hope it’s this simple!
You should have the least laggy CT9A as you have a IX with Mivec. There's only so much you can do with a low compression 2.0L displacement motor off boost. Do you have access to E85? While Pal215 gave you very good turbo recommendations if you're thinking of sticking in the 400-450whp range you should also look at the FP HTA71 super core. Also, you mentioned a lot of mods it has but does it still have the factory O2 housing?
Really appreciate the suggestions man. I do have access to e85 but probably will run it on 93 because in south Florida it’s everywhere. I’m tempted to go e85 though. We’ll see. I know it does have a different o2 housing but I don’t know much more than that. I should have the car tomorrow and will know more then! I’m so freaking excited to have it here!!!
Really appreciate the suggestions man. I do have access to e85 but probably will run it on 93 because in south Florida it’s everywhere. I’m tempted to go e85 though. We’ll see. I know it does have a different o2 housing but I don’t know much more than that. I should have the car tomorrow and will know more then! I’m so freaking excited to have it here!!!
Luckily, the stock IX turbo is good for 400whp on E85 with stock cams, intake/ intercooler pipe bolt ons, fuel pump, injectors, and a tune Really is too easy to make power with these cars sometimes. If you do run E85, take a look at ID1050 or ID1300 injectors. They have stainless steel internals that are compatible with all fuels and are great for E85. Other injectors in that size will work great for the 400hp range, but may develop gunk and corrosion over the years.
Really appreciate the suggestions man. I do have access to e85 but probably will run it on 93 because in south Florida it’s everywhere. I’m tempted to go e85 though. We’ll see. I know it does have a different o2 housing but I don’t know much more than that. I should have the car tomorrow and will know more then! I’m so freaking excited to have it here!!!
Once you run it on E85 you won't want to go back to 93. Get a flex fuel kit/tune and be done with it without the worry.
He could have both 93 and e85 maps on his stock ecu with tephramodv7. I dont see why anyone wouldn't do that other than saving money with tuning costs or of the car is strictly a track car..but if there are other reasons I'd like to know 🤙
There are two reason's I won't e85, first is the biggest -STU rules, second I think my car sits for too long and e85 would collect too much moisture (being in FL).. I could be wrong tho.
Thanks for the e85 input guys. I won’t completely count it out and will do my best to learn more about the pros and cons and make the call when we get the car ready. Lots of work to get done between now and then!!!
Today I threw on the coilovers and front brace as well as some minor interior bits. Got pulled over 5 minutes after getting it delivered this Saturday because I drove it 1/4 mile without a plate. So stupid haha!! Just a few pics to share. Haven’t adjusted the ride height yet because wheels are en route but it’s sitting nicely for now.
also attached a pic of my new favorite impact. I never thought battery would compete with air (still doesn’t IMO) but my god that thing is an absolute beast. I don’t have a compressor in my little garage at home so decided to give it a try. Broke these semi crusty and oxidized 17 year old bolts free immediately without a single issue. All hardware in great shape.
all and all a good day and great set of coilovers. Highly recommend.
Before lowering. Looked fantastic in the light. Ohlins coilovers on stock wheels.
The window tint , also have the same Milwaukee, awesome impact lol what percent is that, I feel like im darker than you at 2 percent haha heres my tint
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Heard that on JDC. I got really lucky with them. Some of the nicest guys I have come across in any car community and they have been extremely helpful and thoughtful throughout the process thus far. I like what you said about enjoying the plastic. That is my big concern, making this car something it isn't. I really want to improve the interior but may start with just replacing the OEM stuff thats scuffed / not perfect and go from there. Appreciate the advice there! Cheers.
Spot on. Funny you say this because I was just going over all the turbo options and it's a bit overwhelming. The one thing I DON'T want to make this car, is an unreliable project car. I get that modding any car will hurt reliability as we know it, but I just want a car I can hop in and drive whenever I want without worrying what hose popped off and how much pain I'm putting the engine through. I will absolutely look into that turbo option. From my little research it looks like this car can be extremely reliable around 400-450WHP and then things start to get interesting. That will be my goal. The ONE thing I really want to dive into with this car is throttle response and torque. Those two things (for me) really create the best imaginable driving experience, and the throttle response on this car (or at least the one I bought) seems to be very bad. I don't know if this is standard, or If I got way too used to my Ferrari / Porsche throttle response, but I really want to explore all possible ways to improve that. My guess would be a smaller, faster spooling turbo, potentially a larger throttle body, and a proper tune and go from there. I know slapping a gigantic throttle body won't solve anything so I haven't touched that yet. We did add a fuel system from JDC, new spark plugs, I will change every fluid in the car, and get all these parts on and see if that helps, then go from there.
Interesting about the JDM climate control, looking into it now.
Truly appreciate your feedback!!
Here are some suggestions.
I found the stock turbo too small/responsive. It was jerky and fell off hard up top. I carefully modded a stock car/engine from 250whp, to 300,330,350,400,450,500+ These cars are pretty reliable to 500whp/400wtq or so. The clutch becomes somewhat of a concern beyond that. A full face ACT properly adjusted should work well at that level.
When I had my car at 500whp on ID1300's (E85) and a standalone it drove the best and got great mileage. This was flex fuel on an FP Red MHI. That turbo spools slightly later then stock but doesn't fall off terribly at 5500 like the stock one. An FP Green MHI would also work well.
The Red will make 15-20psi by 4000-4200ish. Green a little before that. Both turbo's are far from laggy. Consider them OEM +
FP delivers and has a good track record.
Being in South FL, you could contact AG autosports or Machines gone wild. Chris Carbee/slowpoke tuning is well known and travels the country tuning that platform and others. Mtuned is also in FL,but may not tune that platform anymore.
Bunch of videos on my youtube channel and a build thread . https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...-2themoon.html
Rear sway bar and an ACD reflash are a game changer. I don't think I would restack the factory diff unless you want more over steer and noise.
Whatever path you choose , do your research and stay on the conservative side. These cars perform well but are not indestructible. Very enjoyable at a reasonable level.
Stock 4.53 final drive gearing at 250/350whp Pump gas
4.11 final drive on other pulls. E85
All runs 3rd gear. You can easily make 400wtq around 3800-4000 and let it carry as needed.
Hey guys - I know its been a while so I figured I would post an update. Over the last couple of weeks the following went on / was replaced or updated:
Ohlins coilovers. I am honestly not thrilled with these. I set them up at 199mm preload on the springs they provided and maxed out the bottom threads and they don't go very low. I have several emails into them and have yet to hear back. They also arrived damaged / the rear adjuster knobs were broken. Also not enjoyable essentially having to take them off the car entirely to adjust ride height (in the front at least)
Cusco power brace / cusco front strut brace w/ brake stop. Brake stop feels weird - may take it out but we'll see how it goes after the brake job
Enkei wheels - I like these! 18 x 9.5 +22 - rubbing in the rear but haven't touched camber yet. Ordered from fitment industries and they came damaged. Huge chunk missing on one of the faces. They offered me a replacement wheel for $500 and acted like that was in some way helpful? LOL - stupid. I will be ordering custom wheels soon though so whatever. Still not a great way to run a business but oh well! Wont ever use them again.
Rexpeed sideskirt extensions, ebrake handle, cooling plate, and front lip - solid fitment and finish. Carbon appears to match quality of some really nice brands in the Ferrari tax world that would charge thousands if not tens of thousands for similar pieces. Really nice stuff. decided to order another rear trunk spoiler to test fit it with the wing.
Mishimoto radiator + fan - fitment is good. It was hitting what appears to be an oil line or water line so I need to look into that but no leaks and overall super happy with the look of it. Fans spin on quickly as well.
JDC titanium engine bay hardware kit, hood prop, fuse box cover, and a lot more misc pieces
JDC ignition system - looks freaking amazing and sleek - still some engine cleanup to do when the other parts arrive
JDC reservoirs - yes I am going very rainbow with this build LOL (its called time capsule for a reason!!!)
TYPES underglow - I wasnt about to buy my high school dream car and not put underglow on it. This stuff is awesome.
OEM window trim- by far the most drastic 'restore' part thus far. Completely cleaned up the exterior look with the tinted windows. So thankful they still stock these! I will probably buy another set for when these go bad. Might try to ceramic coat them but that weird soft touch stuff is really needy
JDC mini battery tie down + smaller battery
New floor mats (they go so far)
JDC titanium shift knob
FMIC + lower intercooler piping
Much more to come in the next couple of weeks:
Seats
Harnesses
charge pipe
brake rotors, lines, pads
intake
BOV
speed density
exhaust manifold
turbo? still haven't decided - tuner recommended FP black for my goals (425-450, quick spooling, reliable clean idle)
Fuel pump was making some really aggressive whining noises and then a cel after about 45 minutes of driving. I see this is pretty common. Don't know what fuel pump the previous owner had so I ordered the walboro 255 to see if this helps. Car is currently on jack stands until wednesday when I can get a new suspension bolt. No clue what the PO did to this bolt but it was ballooned out so badly that it actually put a hole in my new coilovers on the front strut mount. So frustrating but new bolts on the way! I will get it out for some better pics then!
Cheers & thank you all for following and for suggestions thus far.
Here are some suggestions.
I found the stock turbo too small/responsive. It was jerky and fell off hard up top. I carefully modded a stock car/engine from 250whp, to 300,330,350,400,450,500+ These cars are pretty reliable to 500whp/400wtq or so. The clutch becomes somewhat of a concern beyond that. A full face ACT properly adjusted should work well at that level.
When I had my car at 500whp on ID1300's (E85) and a standalone it drove the best and got great mileage. This was flex fuel on an FP Red MHI. That turbo spools slightly later then stock but doesn't fall off terribly at 5500 like the stock one. An FP Green MHI would also work well.
The Red will make 15-20psi by 4000-4200ish. Green a little before that. Both turbo's are far from laggy. Consider them OEM +
FP delivers and has a good track record.
Being in South FL, you could contact AG autosports or Machines gone wild. Chris Carbee/slowpoke tuning is well known and travels the country tuning that platform and others. Mtuned is also in FL,but may not tune that platform anymore.
Bunch of videos on my youtube channel and a build thread . https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...-2themoon.html
Rear sway bar and an ACD reflash are a game changer. I don't think I would restack the factory diff unless you want more over steer and noise.
Whatever path you choose , do your research and stay on the conservative side. These cars perform well but are not indestructible. Very enjoyable at a reasonable level.
Stock 4.53 final drive gearing at 250/350whp Pump gas
4.11 final drive on other pulls. E85
All runs 3rd gear. You can easily make 400wtq around 3800-4000 and let it carry as needed.
wow, read your entire build thread. your attention to detail and knowledge is pretty outstanding man. Thank you very much for sharing all of this with me. It gives me a lot to think about. Desmond @ Performance Destination recommended the FP black for my goals. It seemed a bit strange to me given the power goals I have but he didn't like being challenged when asked why Black vs green etc... when I get the speed density done and all the engine parts completed I will probably revisit this because I will need a tune very soon. This is coming together much quicker than I anticipated.
Not that these turbocharged 2 liter's are known for neck-snapping response, but check if your throttle cable has a lot of slack in it. Mine was pretty bad and when I was done tightening it up all the way at the throttle body the pedal didn't reach the stock plastic stopper lol. I have since replaced the stock stopper with a basic 3D printed one and it works very well.
by the way I did loosen the two bolts holding the throttle cable in the engine bay and moved it ever so slightly left and it got rid of the slack. You were right. It was really bad. I left a little slack for obvious reasons but it literally was like falling to the back of the engine bay. Haven’t been able to drive it yet but I know for a fact it’s going to help.
Really is too easy to make power with these cars sometimes. If you do run E85, take a look at ID1050 or ID1300 injectors. They have stainless steel internals that are compatible with all fuels and are great for E85. Other injectors in that size will work great for the 400hp range, but may develop gunk and corrosion over the years.
, also have the same Milwaukee, awesome impact lol what percent is that, I feel like im darker than you at 2 percent haha heres my tint
