Who makes these DOT harnesses?

 

Scroth.

 

OK, I'm not a road racer, but I do have some stuff in my car....

I have a chromoly 6 point rollcage and 5 point harness in my Evo with stock seats. The top 2 points go through the holes in the top of the seat, and goes into a "Y" thing behind the front seats, and is bolted to a tab on the rollcage's main loop middle bar which almost touches the back of the front seats. The lap belts are bolted to the seat bolts (where the seats are bolted to the floor). The crotch strap I had to drill a hole through the floor under the front seats, by the middle.

If anyone is interested in chromoly rollcages around NJ, contact me. I had mine done at Wild Rides Race Cars. They did Gary Gardella's chassis (8 second Civic). My cage fits the car nice and snug. With the doors closed, you cannot see the cage at all from the side of the car. The 2 bars running along the roof, towards the rear glass and to the frame rails are done real nice. They are spread apart as far as possible, to reduce the chance of rear seat passengers smashing their heads on the bars in an accident (maybe I'll take some pics to show how far apart they are). They go through the rear deck, through the sides of the speaker grilles. Car definitely feels stiffer on turns. Getting in and out of the car isn't bad either (daily driver). It's not for everybody though.

 

incognito,
where are the other two points? low in front? what size pipe?

thanks

 

yep.. had one installed in every autocross car I have owned.

 

How did you mount your submarine belt?

 

If anyone is looking for a great harness i have a brand new Sparco 5 cam lock point harness designed by scroth im looking to sell cheap (you can run it without the sub belt to as a 4 point). I only need one but driving with one of these is awesome! I asked speedware motorsports about the DOT legal harness and he told me it was the same thing... scroth just paid money for research to have their belts tested. The new sparco and scroth harness are identical

 

in the event of a severe roll over your pretty much dead anyway.. i would argue that using a proper 3 inch harness makes you a much much better driver. You can make snap decisions quicker and have better controll over the steering wear and shifter to make split second moves to avoid an accident. plus your better off from a frontal impact.. and probably a side impact as well. The accident i worry about is like kent jordans where you end up cliping the end of a road track and throw the car end over end. There is a couple of these accidents that have occured and the drivers have walked away but they had cages in the car. In both accidents the drivers wouldnt have standed a chance without a roll cage.. with or without the harness.

 

Totally concur with all your other points, but this one I somewhat disagree, at least in a Sedan. With a well installed 3" competition harness and an upright driving position the likelihood of submarining is IMO quite low. This is different with a driving position in a Formula car or single seater.

At the same time, if everything else such as a roll bar is installed, why not use a proper 5 or 6 point set-up rather than a 4-point.

Also if you put in a proper cage, you might as well put in a low cross brace (sometimes used for seat mounting) around which you can wrap your submarine strap or bolt it to.

 

If you're looking for a bolt-in basic half-cage then there is Autopower which is considered to be actually a safety device v.s. something like a Cusco bolt-in which is all-show-cage and a no-go-cage. There is a how-to in the forums of what it will take to put an Autopower cage in your car, and you'll say bye-bye to being able to carry people in the back seat.

If you want a weld-in cage kit, a company you might want to look at is Custom Cages in the U.K. (http://www.customcages.co.uk/) which offer a kit for the Evo 8. It looks to be pretty much just about a Group N cage, so you'd have to ditch the interior on that baby. Their cages are FIA homologated which is nice, so you know the engineering is there, and you can get the cages with the ends profiled already. Don't get T45, read next paragraph. And of course, you can get a custom-fabbed cage by somebody local who is experienced with cages.

As far as chromoly, there is a move away from it in the racing sanctioning bodies. Low-carbon DOM tubing in 1.75" x 0.095" for main hoops is what what is required by FIA and Rally America for cages now. Sure, you can save some weight going straight CM or T45, but it will be harder and harder in the future to get your cage signed off on.

Here's a thread on the Rally America forum about cages that may be of interest:

http://www.rally-america.com/forums/...read.php?t=922

Yeah, Evos will roll:

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=white-evo7-crashing

 

Do you realize how difficult it is to flip the Evo? Only in really harsh conditions (i.e. Rally and purposefully) can any human flip the Evo, or most any sports car......... But that is my 2 cents worth

 

Well bdking57 mentioned 2 rolled cars, maybe not Evos, and you have a video of an Evo 7, rolling after dropping 2 wheels off the track. Obviously it's quite possible to roll an Evo when everything isn't going your way.

 

If you have 4 point harness and don't have a roll bar or cage then you are not going to save your head on a rollover. The reason I use my 4 point harness with my Sparco harness bar is to keep me strapped in when I'm driving in track days. So I don't slop all over the place when cornering. I know the dangers of driving fast and on the track. So it's up to you.
The only way to have a 5 point seatbelt is to have a proper racing seat with the opening between your legs for the submarine belt. With the O.E. Recaro's you will need to buy the harness with the hoops for your legs. Pretty much you are 'wearing' the belts. Again, depening on what type of racing or driving you are going to do.
I know RMR has a Roll Bar with pins for the triangle bars in the backseat that you can pull and 'swing' the bars outward for ingress and egress of passengers. Give them a call and find out
We all know driving fast and racing are dangerous, so drive at your own risk!