I agree. But not just the Army. I have been stationed in Japan for about 9 months now and the people that have come in after me are little *****es. They cry about everything and are liars, and weak. I don't know what is going on but it needs to change. I don't want to be next to someone who freaks out when I go into battle. Stay safe everyone

 

I've been in over 18 years. I have seen the "quality" of soldiers diminish greatly over the years. I don't blame the kids coming in as much as I blame the bleeding hearts out there that whine and cry when their child calls them and says they "were yelled at and had to do difficult exercises". So out "civillian" congress makes changes to out policies to allow the kids more "freedoms" if you will.

This topic sits in a position of dificulty with me. I feel that any soldier can become a great soldier with the right leadership. The soldier won't like it at first, but later in their career they will come to appreciate good leadership.

As leaders we do not need to be everyone's "friend" in order to accomplish the mission. Rather we need to lead by example, set and maintain the standards, and back up what we say with regulatory fact. Professionalism goes a long way both up and down the chain of command.

Nothing erks me more than a "leader" that can't do what he or she expects their soldier to do.

Sorry to soap box....this topic can be a HUGE thread all of it's own.

Chief T

 

Well said sir... Leadership is what makes a good soldier. That soldier will actually respect a good leader and do whatever is asked of him if he knows his leader knows his s#!t.

I know for one that my leadership is pretty ate up... I just do it and dont worry about what they do up top... I also have a strong well and mindset, so the BS doesnt really affect me...

About the civilian side... I think that is true about the kids telling a soldier to a parent and the parent tripping out telling everyone... its like a chain reaction...

 

I agree with you. The big issue I see is an extreme lack of discipline. I would not dare to pull the stuff these new soldiers are pulling when I was coming up through the ranks. Leadership has a big role in setting the right example, setting and following the standards, and putting the need of their soldiers before their own. What erks me, is when we have an extreme difficulty completing certain tasks, due to the fact we are babysitting soldiers who do not care. I hear many soldiers brag about, how they can screw up and not get fired. I have turned many soldiers around, and they are thankful I was hard on them, but fair at the same time. But I will say this, you cant turn a soldier around who does not want it. The amount of soldiers that so called go crazy so they dont have to deploy is rediculous. Or any time they do not want to do something, they go to the ER. Those are just small issues IMHO. But turn to become pretty serious.

 

I could not agree with you more. Ive been deployed in Kuwait ( What a joke of a deployment but w.e.) for only 2 months so far and Ive already seen 2 of my NCOs in my unit breakdown and try and kill themselves, just to get sent back home. I know where I work lower enlisted have zero respect for the leadership here, between all the talking back and just flat out not listening and doing whatever the hell they want, I was just blown away and couldn't believe what I was seeing everyday. The NCOs that have taught me the most in my time in have also been the strictest and toughest. I hated it at the time but I look back and realized how it changed me for the better. I do not like Where I see the Army heading and it will be interesting to see how it is in 6 years when its time to re up.

 

nice to see another SF guy in here... how'd it feel to sow on SrA right out of tech school

 

I would have to say that is the biggest thing that is causing our Military negative issues. Is the lack of Discipline. It goes both ways. I have seen Officers and NCO's have these issues, as well as the Soldiers. There are NCO's, and there are the ones that wear stripes. They do it for the money, not because they want to lead and train soldiers. I for one love doing what I do, and that is leading and training soldiers to devolop future leaders. My father just recently retired from the Army as a Brigade CSM. My plan was to follow behind his footsteps. Unfortanately for me, I am being MEB'd, and my career is coming to an end. But I will use what I have learned to begin a new chapter in my life. Yada yada yada lol. Anyway, lesson learned: Soldiers need to man up, do what they have to do. Not think they can come in for a free paycheck and do what the hell they want. Because in the long run, when they go to combat, they will get someone killed or themselves killed. Then who is left behind to sorrow? Family!

 

Sounds kinda like my unit... a lil.

Where in Kuwait are you? PM ME if you dont want to say it over the WWW

Im currently in Kuwait to... Feels like im in a garrison base. Cake stuff lol

 

How cold is it in kuwait right now. I know during the winter, that place gets so cold it actually hurts lol.

 

its around 50 in the morning and 80s in the afternoon. im not sure exactly thats just what it feels like.

 

I'll be in good ol KU again here in a couple weeks. Not looking forward to staying at Buehring again, but this is necessary for me to get to the SPOE to receive our containers. I would imagine a trip to AJ will be in order...I might have to meet up with a couple of you that are there currently.

 

Yeah its about 50 or so i would say... it sure does feel colder in the wrecker with no HEAT!!!

Paul- for sure man... have to meet up. Should meet up here with "drift fan". Let me know when you get to Kuwait. Ill take you out to eat (dfac)hahahha

 

well i just seen this and wanted to throw my 2 cents into it as well

first off want to say hello to all my fellow AF security forces guys out there!

but anyways, i to agree that discipline is lacking. but what i believe the bigger problem is, is the lack of proper leadership as many have already said. for the few good leaders there are, its not possible to make up for the negative of others. its just a simple rule no one remembers the good stuff only the bad, and a bad leader will stick in the minds of junior enlisted much longer than a good leader! and here is a perfect example of this.

my brother PV2 Wilhelm, Keiffer Prescot Logan--2nd battalion, 13th cavalry,4th brigade combat team, 1st armored division....im not going to write out what happened as it still hurts to much but its easy enough to google it..

and this is the reason instead of staying home or getting out after this incident i continue to deploy(as i am now) and show that not everyone is a bad leader and someone has to stand up for our troops eventually.

also some say my brother was out of shape and depressed all the time and hated the military and he was a bad soldier. but these are all people just talking out of their A** i know 100% that he loved the army and the military, was in the best shape of his life, and was always a happy kid. in fact the deployment he went on he volunteered for, so he could be deployed the same time as me and we could get home at the same time and he could get the extra money to pay for his new car.

RIP little brother--24Feb90-4Aug09

 

WTF is the the military forums? I thought this was for pictures no to talk about how s**tty the military is. This should be in the off-topic not show and shine.

 

less talking and more pix

kthxbai,
OldschoolEVO