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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 03:39 PM
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Coming along really nicely. Can't wait til you put those wheels on cause I have the exact same ones but in White
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:33 AM
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Thanks guys! I'm stoked to get the wheels and coilovers on the car as well.

Alright, quick update this morning. My gauge setup and shifter trim/ash tray arrived last night. I'm not finished with wiring the gauges or installing the sensors, but had to toss it in for a quick mockup pic or two. Still working out the details, but here's a teaser for now:





Things should really be picking up in the next couple of weeks as my stuff starts to arrive. Hopefully just in time for spring, if it ever gets here.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:58 PM
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Wow that looks really clean, love the way the gauges turned out! Are you planning on running an AFR gauge anywhere?
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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That is gorgeous!
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 07:22 PM
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Stunning!! love how the gauges almost look factory.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 07:43 PM
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Def look clean as fawk...
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Old Mar 22, 2013 | 07:04 AM
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two thumbs up!
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Old Mar 22, 2013 | 08:31 AM
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Do something with the HVAC system to look cleaner and I'll give you major thumbs up! I know the 240 was a bit more modded but can you compare the two?
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 08:53 AM
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Thanks for the comments!

Originally Posted by Legen-dary
Wow that looks really clean, love the way the gauges turned out! Are you planning on running an AFR gauge anywhere?
No plans to run one at this point. The car had one when I bought it, but I didn't really like it. I'm planning to stay stock turbo with very mild/basic mods and a conservative tune at this point, so I don't think I really need to clutter up the interior with one.

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Do something with the HVAC system to look cleaner and I'll give you major thumbs up! I know the 240 was a bit more modded but can you compare the two?
I'm not really sure what you mean about the HVAC system? I want to remain as much of a factory look as possible, so I'm not really sure there is anything I would do differently in that respect.

As for comparing the Evo to the 240, the cars are night and day in a lot of respects. I haven't really ragged on the Evo much at all since I bought it since I still have not had it tuned, but they feel fairly comparable power wise. My best in the 240 was a 12.9 at 114, and I think the Evo would probably be capable of a very similar time with a little bit slower trap speed.

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My new OEM SE lip arrived on Friday from MitsubishiParts.net, so I did a quick test fit. Not really a new or ground-breaking look by any means, but I do think it should look pretty good!





Excited to not be driving around looking like this anymore...



I dropped off the bumper and lip at the body shop this morning, so it should be ready to go in a few days. I was going to wait until my JDM rear was here and ready to go as well, but I am too impatient. So that will probably arrive in the states and hit the car sometime in late April or early May.

I ordered my coilovers from KW and my OEM top hats for the rear last week, so I hope to see those items arrive in the near future. I'm still debating tire size, but those will be ordered and mounted up on the CR Kais as soon as I decide. I'll probably wait until the temps are holding steady above 45 degrees and the coilovers are on before I install them anyway.
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Legen-dary
Wow that looks really clean, love the way the gauges turned out! Are you planning on running an AFR gauge anywhere?
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Thanks for the comments!
No plans to run one at this point. The car had one when I bought it, but I didn't really like it. I'm planning to stay stock turbo with very mild/basic mods and a conservative tune at this point, so I don't think I really need to clutter up the interior with one.
Ok so let me get this straight, your running oil temp, oil pressure and a boost guage but yet your not gonna run a wide band at all? You say that its mildly modded which it is, but how do you know what kinda conservative tune your gonna get without knowing what afr your running? I mean sure tune it on a dyno and forget about it but what happens down the line when you get a pin hole or something in the system and your making a pull and your car goes boom in a big way cause you don't know when to let go of the throttle being you notice your cars going lean as hell? With as much work as you have done and the car really does look nice why for the love of god would you not run one?

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Do something with the HVAC system to look cleaner and I'll give you major thumbs up! I know the 240 was a bit more modded but can you compare the two?
I would say he did a fmic, a full exhaust and a intake pipe with some tuning he would run much faster then 12.9. I know the guy who use to own my car before me ran 12.2 with just an exhaust and a tune but not real fair to compare being it is an rs

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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 09:23 AM
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Ok so let me get this straight, your running oil temp, oil pressure and a boost guage but yet your not gonna run a wide band at all? You say that its mildly modded which it is, but how do you know what kinda conservative tune your gonna get without knowing what afr your running? I mean sure tune it on a dyno and forget about it but what happens down the line when you get a pin hole or something in the system and your making a pull and your car goes boom in a big way cause you don't know when to let go of the throttle being you notice your cars going lean as hell? With as much work as you have done and the car really does look nice why for the love of god would you not run one?
From what I have seen so far, this seems to be one of those communities that feels EVERYONE needs to run a wideband gauge at all times, regardless of modifications. While the Toyota community I was a part of years ago was the same way, the 240/SR20 community was the total opposite. I ran a decently modified SR with a larger turbo, cams, standalone, etc without a wideband after dyno tuning the car once and forgetting about it for about 30k miles without issue. If you have a good tuner, it's truly not a big deal.

People tend to sometimes take a wideband gauge as gospel, and for a high horsepower setup I do agree that it is helpful. But honestly, if you're going to spend that much time watching your light show on the dash while driving, I don't want to be on the road with you. This car is going to spend 98% of its life at 75 MPH driving to work and back on the highway.

No offense, but I think you're overreacting a bit. Obviously when the car is tuned a wideband gauge will be present- it's not going to be tuned blindly and then beaten to hell and back. I'll be the first to admit that the Defi gauges I have added to the car are more of a novelty item than anything else, but that's the beauty of it- it's my car.
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 09:42 AM
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From what I have seen so far, this seems to be one of those communities that feels EVERYONE needs to run a wideband gauge at all times, regardless of modifications. While the Toyota community I was a part of years ago was the same way, the 240/SR20 community was the total opposite. I ran a decently modified SR with a larger turbo, cams, standalone, etc without a wideband after dyno tuning the car once and forgetting about it for about 30k miles without issue. If you have a good tuner, it's truly not a big deal.

People tend to sometimes take a wideband gauge as gospel, and for a high horsepower setup I do agree that it is helpful. But honestly, if you're going to spend that much time watching your light show on the dash while driving, I don't want to be on the road with you. This car is going to spend 98% of its life at 75 MPH driving to work and back on the highway.

No offense, but I think you're overreacting a bit. Obviously when the car is tuned a wideband gauge will be present- it's not going to be tuned blindly and then beaten to hell and back. I'll be the first to admit that the Defi gauges I have added to the car are more of a novelty item than anything else, but that's the beauty of it- it's my car.
I am not over reacting at all. I know these cars, I know these motors, I have seen them last, I have seen them fail. I by no means am I tring to say this build is bad or nothing, I am just saying there is a reason we all do. You say your going to do cruising on the freeways etc, that's fine, what happens when you get on the freeway and start to make a partial pull and you after a year or whatever end up with a pin hole in the system and it gets worse and your conservitave tune goes real real lean? It may seem unlikely but I will tell you from experience it happens. It happens when injector seals start to leak over time. I myself have had to fix that. I know it seems harsh to say that it could happen but it really does. A wideband guage is just extra pertection. I mean its your car man and I understand its your option, but when you look at the cost of building motors such in the toyodas and mitsus a couple 100 extra bucks isn't that bad of an idea
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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I can definitely respect your opinion. While it may be riskier, I honestly don't feel that running a very mild stock turbo setup without a wideband gauge is any more dangerous than running a 4-500 WHP setup on stock internals with a wideband gauge present. Just a little food for thought...

An engine can fail for a number of reasons at any given time. I guess it's just a part of the game we play. Like you said, it could definitely save you at some point under the right circumstances. I just don't think I'll run one if I'm honest.

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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 09:56 AM
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I'm still pretty new here and learning a lot about what the factory ECU is capable of, but is there a way to set it for some kind of alarm under lean conditions? I'm thinking back to my Supra where I had the AEM set up to illuminate the MIL light in the gauge cluster if I was running above a certain AFR while over a certain boost/load threshold. Even though I had the AEM serial gauge which could display AFR's, I didn't always have it on the AFR display setting and I certainly wasn't always watching it. The MIL light in the cluster was noticeable even out of the corner of my eye while watching the road so i could react immediately if there was a problem. Now that I think about it, the serial gauge itself could also be programmed to display a visual or audible alarm based on a condition; say, running lean.

Any way to accomplish an visual or audio alert for such a condition using the factory ECU? If so, then I agree that an AFR gauge is not necessary aside from tuning.
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Originally Posted by CamryOnBronze
I can definitely respect your opinion. While it may be riskier, I honestly don't feel that running a very mild stock turbo setup without a wideband gauge is any more dangerous than running a 4-500 WHP setup on stock internals with a wideband gauge present. Just a little food for thought...

An engine can fail for a number of reasons at any given time. I guess it's just a part of the game we play. Like you said, it could definitely save you at some point under the right circumstances. I just don't think I'll run one if I'm honest.
I agree with you on this statement but here are why we do run 500 600 hp on stock stuff. If the tune is correct, you stretch out the powerband for your tq to come later on in the spool then its no different then running a smaller turbo. The fact that it can blow up is certainly higher, but it comes down to like you said tune. Being my car does make over 600 whp I rely on that afr guage when I am making pulls and or at the track and when logging. Having a wideband af sensor would be fine if you didn't have a guage, but to go without one Idk not a chance I'd be willing to take.

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I'm still pretty new here and learning a lot about what the factory ECU is capable of, but is there a way to set it for some kind of alarm under lean conditions? I'm thinking back to my Supra where I had the AEM set up to illuminate the MIL light in the gauge cluster if I was running above a certain AFR while over a certain boost/load threshold. Even though I had the AEM serial gauge which could display AFR's, I didn't always have it on the AFR display setting and I certainly wasn't always watching it. The MIL light in the cluster was noticeable even out of the corner of my eye while watching the road so i could react immediately if there was a problem. Now that I think about it, the serial gauge itself could also be programmed to display a visual or audible alarm based on a condition; say, running lean.

Any way to accomplish an visual or audio alert for such a condition using the factory ECU? If so, then I agree that an AFR gauge is not necessary aside from tuning.
The stock evo ecu only does knock control. It will not tell you when it goes lean, it only flashes a cel when it senses knock and that is a heads up, but will not directly save your motor if you don't notice it in time.
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