also posted this under motorsports---

I recently wore out the stock pads and replaced them with very aggressive raybestos racing compound pads. They work great but have destroyed my front rotors in as little as 4 AX events. It was so bad that the dust (filled with iron from the rotor) would magnetically stick to my number magnet sheets. At the last event I even noticed metal slag filings stuck to the rotor!

Anyway, I went overboard with these pads and will be replacing the rotors and pads asap. As a daily driver car I want the best of both worlds but am willing to put up with the typical nuances of driving a competitive AX car on the street. The most logical solution to my problem seems to be this package (price is always a factor):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVT9d7eVUP8

basically dba 4000 slotted rotors with hawk ceramic pads and SB lines

what'yall think??

me+my car = local bsp champ, typically top 3 in PAX, usually lowest time of day.

thanks for the help

 

I saw this vid a few days ago. I would say this is definately a good choice for a dd on a budget that sees a few ax events each year. I'm more of a drag race buff, so the stock stuff is adequate for me.

Once again....good choice

 

Screw the ceramics. I used to run HP+'s on the street, and run HPS's now in the evo. the HP+'s do have more initial bite, and would probably work very well for you since youre in BSP, and im assuming you run with R-comps. The HPS's are nearly perfect for a street tire class, even if they almost too easily overpower the grip street tires have. the ceramics might last a bit longer, but dont brake even as well as the HPS's.


Also, take a look at stoptech rotors. I have un-slotted/drilled two piece rotors and I love them. If you want your brakes to last, stay away from slotted most definately. Speaking from experience, they hold no advantage at all, on track, auto-xing, and on the street. they just tear through pads.

 

Good choice on rotors and Hawk makes a great pad. However, the ceramic really doesn't hold the higher temps as well as the other pads do. They are a bit more luxury based meaning lower dust, lower noise, etc. I'm not sure how much heat you'll be generating on an auto-x course, but the HPS might be a bit better for those kind of conditions.

 

i recommend staying away from drilled rotors, we've seen street fatigue/cracking in almost every kind we've ever used (stoptech will also recommend using slotted not drilled)..

the stoptech oem slotted replacements are a good choice, as are the DBA 4000 series.... the DBA 5000's are also an option if you can run them... but for a street class you probably cant...

hp plus work excellent, albeit some noise, and id run some motul 600 or ate superblue.

cheers

cb

 

i run dba 4000 slotted rotors and hawke +'s and am real happy with their performance. pads have not ruined my rotors and give me the stopping power I need for ax. I get a lot of wear out of both.

 

are the SLOTTED rotors killing your pads faster than you'd like?

 

i really like my dba4000 series rotors. ferrodo ds2500 pads. very loud. almost embarassing at times during low speed stops. but this combio has better bite than oem, and generally feels a lot stronger. no track experience on this set up though.

 

Im telling you, there is no measurable difference from having slots or drilled rotors. stay away from either, just get blank face rotors. your pads last far longer, and if youd like to get down to the nitty gritty, you have more material to absorb and dissipate heat with, make the rotor stronger, ect.

 

Nice Vid, looks like Im getting some Ceramic pads

 

I don't know, in the vid they show boxes for the HT-14 and HT-10 pads, which are full race pads. So I'm not surprised they perform better with 10 repeated stops. I would not run these pads (if that is what they used) on the street or auto-x (you will not get them up to temp)

from: http://www.hawkperformance.com/motor...ounds/ht10.php

HT 10 Intermediate to high torque with a smooth initial bite. Very consistent pedal feel. Excellent modulation and release characteristics.
HT 14 Very high torque with aggressive initial bite. Excellent modulation and release characteristics. Brake pads designed for cars with extremely high deceleration rates and down force.

For auto-x just use HPS or HP+, they are fine for DD and auto-x. (I have a set of used HP+'s if you want to try a set for cheaper - search the classifieds). Better cold torque & bite than stock pads. And in auto-xing you never get the brakes even remotely hot.

If you guys are talking about the Hawk ceramic pads (http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/ceramic.php) - I tried these on the back of my audi for DD mostly due to the dust. I'm not impressed with them at all. I prefer the HPS over these ceramic pads. HPS give off less dust than these cermics too - at least in my application.

And I agree with other people suggesting to stay away from drilled and slotted rotors. You gain no performance and pay more. Unless you just want the looks, just go solid.

 

rotor choice is excellent but try goign some EBC yellow stuff

 

+1

I've used the yellow-stuff on the last 3 cars I've had. They killed my HPS's in terms of bite, high temp performance, and all around driveability. These will be whats going on my car.

 

chad stock replacement stop techs are TRASH ive warped 2 sets..
JUNK!
dba 4000 is a good choice

hawk pad's are trash as well..

performance friction and ferodo

 

i have dba 4000 series rotors and hp +'s on my 8 and they have been great so far. I haven't had the chance yet to track them and find out how well they will hold up to brake faid and the such, but just from driving you can feel that they have a great initial bite like someone else said, they feel great.