What Smike was saying about the 2500lbs 500hp cars is that they are SERIOUS race cars. Ferodo 2500s are by no means the best pad you can run to resist fade. I currently have PF Zs and I am pretty sure they are more resistant to fade than the Ferodos but still dont cut it on the track...

I would like to hear more about your BBK when you get it, but I am going to have to agree that there is no way to effectively work a brake setup on the street unless you are on the autobahn doing 100-0 stops constantly. Even then...

Also, if you are over heating your calipers, that CAN be the result of over dragging your brakes. Just because they are burned doesnt mean they were properly utilized.

Post up when you get the BBK.

 

I agree that the pad issue is probably a huge one. This seems to be an issue for a lot of BBKs. Seems to me that copying another more popular BBK would not be unscrupulous, but very smart for the market. I will try to remember to remind you because I would like to know. Aside from the god awful coloring of the calipers (fixed with some black paint ) the kit looks great. I am in no position to buy, but I would like to know my options for the future.

Oh and anyone comment on the steel alloy construction vs. aluminum? I would assume there is no different in heat dissipation as that is not really a material issue (though absorption is). I just wonder if there is a strength issue or it is more difficult to manufacture properly. I am assuming it is just cheaper...

 

As a matter of fact I do. Not 100-0, but 115-55 speed drops. I always brake as shortly as possible. Often as hard that wheels are at the point they _almost_ lock.

And it's not like brakes instantly fade, but after 10-15 minutes.

Thanks for the pads advice though, I'll try PF Zs after I "finish" Ferodos.

I know that.

 

Why in the world are you repeatedly braking from 115-55 mph over and over again for 10-15 minutes on the street?

Ferodo 2500's can actually put up with a decent amount of abuse and i've never heard of any sane person fading them on the street with the brembos. PF Zs IMO can't take as much heat, but you're kind of asking for a lot out of a pad.

- Andrew

 

you guys really find places to push your brakes this hard on the street? i took my ebc yellows to the track and didnt have any "fade" issues with 15 minute track sessions. if youre fading ferrodo and pfz's, you probably need to look at your calipers are reevaluate your driving technique.

i've tracked cars with ebc reds and never had fade issues.

 

In your opinion? Isn't a statistical thing how much heat a pad can take? I might be wrong, but we would be splitting hairs on the MOT...

Please let's not get hung up on Slippers street antics, anyone with any more actual info on the brakes?

 

Because driving fast is fun? And there are sort of other cars on the road too, so you need to slow down from time to time... Anyway, that's not the point. The point is brakes do fade and I think that can be fixed with either "go slower, accelerate less, brake less" or brakes upgrage. I totally understand that if I were driving like "normal" person I won't ever get to the point of brakes fading even with stock brembos.

Like I said switching to Ferodo 2500 over stock pads did make huge difference! Not they can actually last for 10-15 minutes before they fade, with stock pads it was couple of stops and here you go - brakes are dead.

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BTW, if you order you BBK now you will have to wait for 7-15 days. Megan doesn't have them in stock for some reason, my kit is on backorder and will be avaialbe in april as they say.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have the money lying around to buy a BBK right now and I am not convinced these are a quality kit yet. When do you think you will get your kit?

 

Not sooner than mid april

 

Well dont forget to post up!

And I just saw that you are from Russia... not much clue on their road laws, but I am guessing they are less strict then here in the States. Might explain some of that 'on road' fade...

 

I will post up for sure.

Exactly!

 

Well for anyone that cared, Zeus informed me that the Megan BBK uses a specially sized pad available from only them. IMO, that is a huge mistake. I understand how Megan would want to get you permanently on the hook for pads, but it seems like it will severely (and has given the rarity of this kit) limit the potential buyers of this... too bad, seemed like a decent buy.

Angry Slipper, I would still like to hear your opinions when you get the kit.

 

They might say that but I doubt it.

Water jetting backing plates adds a lot of cost to pad production even in China.

If you are fading DS2500's you are really not goingto be happy w/ PF Z - DS2500's are a major league semi track rally pad.....

Hawk DTC-30 is streetable - w/ near race friction - and NO NOISE on my STi.

 

What exactly are you answering? Are you saying more pads then just Megan's will fit the BBK?? And what are you referring to with the comment on pad cost from China?

 

Sorry - lack of detail

Not a Megan bash - just reality. It's a budget oriented brand that I assume is made in China.

None the less - It costs a lot more to waterjet brake pad backing plates then it does to get them from high production sources who stamps them for most of the world.

I was visiting Hawk a couple weeks ago to look at the dyno and test facilities and see pad production etc and I learned quite a bit. One specific thing was the cost /timing of getting backing plates. Any new shape that is not made by the primary plate stampers is like 10-20 times more $$ to get made by a waterjet or some other semi manual method.

Now china is always cheaper - but if they are making a new pad it would still seem that it would cost them much less to use an existing shape and there are plenty of them out there.

Rotora kind of tried that until people found out it actually was an existing shape.

I am sure I will now get flamed all to hell - so I'll just apologize in advance for trying to pass on what I think is pretty solid information.