2015 Evo X GSR - MAP 5858 V-Band Turbo Kit
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So much left in that on E85. You could easily run 50-60 more wtq across the entire range. Probably make close to 525-550whp up top. But as long as your happy. She'll definitely rip with a built motor.
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Got ya. The AP is handy, but EvoScan can do much more than the AP as far as data logging and gauge display. You do have to haul around a laptop however. You can also map switch with open source. I did like having the gauges built right in, but after I switched I used the money from selling my AP and bout real AEM gauges.
Check out www.wtftuned.com for your flex tune. TJ is doing mine (I had a faulty flex sensor from another manufacturer). All he works on is Xs and 90% of what his shop does is flex fuel tunes.
Check out www.wtftuned.com for your flex tune. TJ is doing mine (I had a faulty flex sensor from another manufacturer). All he works on is Xs and 90% of what his shop does is flex fuel tunes.
The drivenfab kit is probably your other best choice which is also a plug and play kit.
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Cflo23 (Apr 21, 2017)
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That's what I'm looking forward to. Left the torque well under 400 to protect the engine, then once I can pull enough funds together I'll opt for an engine build. I'm hoping with cams and a double pumper I could get up in the mid to high 500's and not have to worry about the engine letting go if I do something like a MAP stage 2 2.0L. Personally, I'm not looking to go over 600 while I'm still daily driving it, I'll save the 600+ setup for when I get another car to commute in.
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The precision turbo's are designed around not being water cooled. They do fine.
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Yeah I daily it, 2,500 miles in and running smooth. Like letsgetthisdone said, new Precision turbos are designed to not be water-cooled and still be daily driven. I'll make a post if I have issues. Only thing is a little bit of smoke from the exhaust, but I've checked with a few people who have said it's normal for the turbo.
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You can improve your crank case ventilation setup and that will go away. The turbo smokes due to too much cracnk case pressure not letting the oil drain out of it properly.
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Tooling of center housings, especially with an additional water core on top of the oil core, is not cheap. Therefore, to save costs, it's easier to not make a water cooled center housing.
You won't find a single OEM gasoline turbocharger that is not water cooled. Even some diesel turbos are water-cooled now if they are used in more extreme applications.
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So, if a turbo doesn't have water lines, it's safe to assume certain design elements are catered towards that. Also, modern oils don't have the coking issues oils of yesteryear do. And, the PT turbos do fine without water cooling.
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Keep in mind the exhaust manifold and turbine housing itself are huge thermal masses. So if you romp on the car and put it away hot, guess where all that heat goes... so the water cooled center housing is primarily to help with shutdown. But in some more extreme applications, where the engine is running constantly at high power, water cooling is required during steady state operation. Even on some diesel applications where the engine runs at full-power constantly like power generation, cargo ships, or pipeline pumps, etc. Heck, marine applications at constant full power have water cooled turbine housings.
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I've got the Driven catch can setup with the PCV delete. Would that be causing the issue?
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That would be a poor assumption. Just for reference, I designed turbos for almost 10 years for the largest OEM turbocharger supplier. Modern synthetic oils are less resistant to coking, true, but I would still do a thorough cool-down if using a turbo on a gas engine without water cooling.
Keep in mind the exhaust manifold and turbine housing itself are huge thermal masses. So if you romp on the car and put it away hot, guess where all that heat goes... so the water cooled center housing is primarily to help with shutdown. But in some more extreme applications, where the engine is running constantly at high power, water cooling is required during steady state operation. Even on some diesel applications where the engine runs at full-power constantly like power generation, cargo ships, or pipeline pumps, etc. Heck, marine applications at constant full power have water cooled turbine housings.
Keep in mind the exhaust manifold and turbine housing itself are huge thermal masses. So if you romp on the car and put it away hot, guess where all that heat goes... so the water cooled center housing is primarily to help with shutdown. But in some more extreme applications, where the engine is running constantly at high power, water cooling is required during steady state operation. Even on some diesel applications where the engine runs at full-power constantly like power generation, cargo ships, or pipeline pumps, etc. Heck, marine applications at constant full power have water cooled turbine housings.
I'm not arguing the validity of a water cooled turbo. Simply stating that the PT stuff doesn't seem to have an issue with not being water cooled.
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If you give the turbo a good cool-down, it'll last. Do a few WOTs and then park the car hot, it won't last a long time without water cooling.
A lot of the lower cost Garrett and Borg Warner turbos are also not water cooled as they are based off of older diesel turbos.