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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 06:09 PM
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well it is not a boost gauge it the ABS. Pressure reading from my cobb AP.
ok, you mean MAP. 36 psi absolute is fine, or perhaps even a bit low for an Evo 10 as its only 21.5 psi gauge.
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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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ABS (Absolute) Pressure - atmosphere pressure (around 14.5) = boost pressure

So that means, 36 - 14.5 = 21.5 psi boost
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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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K that does seem low as most of the time. what do i do about the knock retard. this is just the cobb off the self stage 1 map and its making me knock ... i do not have any access to 100 oct. gas. and the map is supposed to be for 93 anyway.

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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 08:13 PM
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It is safe to keep driving on it. The ECU is doing its job. Keep and eye on it and see if it keeps doing it with different gas. I don't know about where you are, but here we get dog sh*t gas in the winter. We went out today to do some logs in my friend's VIII and we did 10 pulls on the same map without a single knock count. We pulled into a station and filled up on Shell 93 and the next several logs on the same map had knock everywhere from 3500 up (1-4 counts)

BP is the WORST. I used to spray a 175 shot of nitrous on pump gas in my VIII and I had the most trouble with BP 93...and suprisingly had the best luck with Speedway/Marathon 92.

Just keep an eye on it and try another filling station.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 02:42 AM
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I thought avg. atmospheric pressure was 14.7. If that is the case i am running negative boost most of the time. Anyone have time to explain that?


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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cplise
Well guys , im getting this in every log with 93 oct . gas using the cobb stage 1 93 map. I have no mods at all just the AP? i am also seeing ABS. pressure spikes all the way to 36 psi ( does ABS. Pressure = Boost ) .
No, abs pressure = gauge pressure + atmospheric pressure...

So, pisG = psia-atm = 36-14.5 = 21.5psig
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cplise
I thought avg. atmospheric pressure was 14.7.
Depends on where you live, where I live the average is usually around 100kpa which is roughly 14.5psi

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If that is the case i am running negative boost most of the time. Anyone have time to explain that?
We are talking about absolute pressure not boost pressure. If absolute pressure was 36 psi then you subtract atmosphere pressure (14.5 psi) and you will get boost pressure. What you see on a boost gauge is boost pressure and not absolute pressure.
And if you are talking being negative boost at idle or light throttle, then yes, it will be negative because your engine is in vacuum...............
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 07:13 AM
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I think the sensor in our car may max out at 2.5 bar, which is why AP always shows a max of 37 psi. I haven't had a chance to log it to see if the signals looks clipped at around 36.75 psi.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LVSBB6
I tried running Cobb stage 1 map and has knock retard values in one of the runs as follow:

4000rpm 2.11
4700rpm 3.16
5300rpm 2.46
6500rpm 0.70

Occasionally i get values of 0.35 appearing in 1500rpm to 3000rpm range.

What do these numbers mean? Does it mean i was knocking? The strange thing is that it only appeared in one of the few runs which I data logged. Im running 94 octane, what gives?
It's almost impossible to not see a bit of knock on a turbo vehicle through the seasons. As others have mentioned the ECU is doing it's job in keeping the motor healthy. One thing you can try would be to flash a 91 octane map checking if that will efface any knock.

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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chase123
I think the sensor in our car may max out at 2.5 bar, which is why AP always shows a max of 37 psi. I haven't had a chance to log it to see if the signals looks clipped at around 36.75 psi.
No sir, I have logged the internal map sensor (Via EcuTek tools) and it tracks along just fine at 24psig +/- 1 psig which would be 39psia so it should be at least 3bar.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chase123
I think the sensor in our car may max out at 2.5 bar, which is why AP always shows a max of 37 psi. I haven't had a chance to log it to see if the signals looks clipped at around 36.75 psi.
The Evo 10 MAP sensor is good to about 46.5 psia. Must be a limitation of the data being read by the AP or something with the AP.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
The Evo 10 MAP sensor is good to about 46.5 psia. Must be a limitation of the data being read by the AP or something with the AP.
Robb@Cobb can you answer this. I have no boost gauge in my car and am only going by what the AP says so I am curious. Thanks
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob@cobbtuning
It's almost impossible to not see a bit of knock on a turbo vehicle through the seasons. As others have mentioned the ECU is doing it's job in keeping the motor healthy. One thing you can try would be to flash a 91 octane map checking if that will efface any knock.

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Yes but at what point does this affect the performance of the car?
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Rob is there any chance we are gonna get: Boost , Knock cnt and a possible AFR solution ( with logging ) Added to the monitoring anytime soon ( i'd pay for the wideband kit )?
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scottatyamaha
Robb@Cobb can you answer this. I have no boost gauge in my car and am only going by what the AP says so I am curious. Thanks
Currently the ECU limits the max value to 36 PSI when converting from voltage (counts) into KPa. We have not attempted to change the max value in the ECU as of yet, but is something I can try.

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