You know, I think most MR drivers is aware of the fact that manual is indeed more engaging to drive, but they opt for SST due to personal preferences. I am really fed up when people ask "Yo, why is your Evo automatic, the shifts are so slow!", needless to say I just ignore those fools!

 

the sst trans is the reason, having an already complicated trans out fo the equation while modifying or build a performance car is part of the solution. I'm sure the sst works fine on a stock car or maybe a mildly tuned one but you have to take into effect that the parts were made to put up with just that in mind. The manual tranmission has been in development for decades, and the 10 trans is supposedly a revised 9 trans with different bell housings and castings and such. The sst is new territory for alot of manufactures in the field as well, and having to take apart a 8000$ tranmission and trying to put it together without any service manual and reengineering gears,sliders etc.. will take time. but i'm sure when the time comes and a built sst trans comes out, you will be able to bang off gears with the best of them. For things like these to happen I would plead your case to aftermarket tranmission producers /augumentor whom have special interest/experience with semi-auto sequential tramissions, like hollinger transmissions http://www.holinger.com.au/ , i wonder if cosworth would even fanthom to mess with this, being that most of the company is compromised of engineers I bet they would bust a nut just trying to think of ways to mess with this tranny.

 

It's more than that. I hate automatics, however I really do enjoy the SST when it's in manual mode, and I like the convenience of it in auto. I drive it in manual mode 90% of the time, but no extra foot work.

 

When I first started driving the SST in manual mode I was letting off the gas between shifts,lol. It really feels like a manual, its pretty wicked to snap shifts while your foot is pinned to the floor. My 2 cents.

 

When buying the EVO i wanted the GSR ONLY cuz of the Tranny.. when at the dealer i went for the MR...i love it and tranny shifts fast and hard... Problem is the overheating and the lack of power it can hold.... HOPEFULLY people get some parts for the tranny... Than the MR will be probably even more popular than the GSR... its all about the tranny with these two cars... if the SST can be rebuilt to hold up 500 TQ than the MR will be very popular...

 

when in sports mode or super sport the tranny REALLY SHIFTS HARD AND FAST... no need for power shifting and missing gears.... If they only find a way to build up the SST it will rock!!!! i am a manuel guy as well... i just got out of a mustang GT with 5 speed manuel tranny and i loved the shifting... like i said i was going for the GSR but last min i went with the MR after test driving... automatic sucks and its just for regular boring traffic driving but when you switch to sports mode and manual sifting on the MR there is no reason to not like it.... ONLY problem i see is the power it can hold

 

I've got that enough times since I got my MR. Usually after a drive, they withdraw the "slow" part once they realize that it's no ordinary auto. But then comes the part where I have to explain how it works too... that part gets long...

 

With exception of heavy traffic in which I don't hit much where I live/work, I would not want one. I just wouldn't feel like I was driving the car. Just like when I play that stupid ferrari game at dave n busters, yeah, would be easier to use the paddle shifters and such, but I always choose the manual.

Just a question for those with an MR.... what happens if your at about 45-50 and in a low rpm gear like 5th and you want to take off? Do you have to tap the "paddle" twice to get into 3rd or three times to get into 2nd? And will it shift as fast as you can tap it multiple times?

And what is the feeling driving in the car when you downshift 3 times consecutively?

 

I like my MR. It's way to hard to beat off on the way to work when you have to shift between strokes.

 

You can paddle as fast as you want. The gear changes are actually pretty quick, and IMO double downshifts feel smoother than a single because it's running off the same clutch plate. However, what you're missing is that the second I hit the downshift paddle. the RPMs are first pushed up to match the gear it's about to shift into. Once the rpms are matched, then it drops the clutch. By that time the turbo is already spooling up, plus I never let up off the gas anyway. The harder you are on the gas, the quicker the shifts are...

If you downshift quickly enough (i.e. 3 times quickly), you'll never even feel it drop into the gears you just passed.

I also use the paddles pretty seldom. I prefer the shifter, but the paddles are an added convenience.

Honestly, I just wish it were quicker off the line...

 

Nice, thanks man, that's what I was looking for. Maybe you can take me for a ride next time we are at a local bike night or something.

 

That's what a tune is for. I've noticed that my car idles at 1K RPM or so while at a light...the instant I hit the gas it'll jump to 2K and off I go!!! Weeeeee...oh, I'm gunzo ECUFlash tuned :-P

verkion

 

Coming from two DC5's RSX S's and a 00 B16 SI manual trannies; I think the SST rocks! No problems what so ever and runs strong and shifts lightning fast.

How have the GSR's 5 speeds been holding up?Clutch? as opposed to the SST's

 

For sure!!! That is, if you can get me off the bike this summer, lol.

 

A manual, slushbox, or auto-manual is not inherently stronger or weaker than one another. There have been manual gearboxes that probably couldn't withstand 100hp, while there's automatics that take well over 1,000. All it comes down to is design, and strength of the components. A multi-clutch automanual is almost identical to a standard manual except for an extra input shaft, clutch, and the obvious extra components that shove it in gear. The insides resemble a manual more than an automatic.

So, where are all these claims of the power limit coming from? Well, some probably from Getrag's site. They specify the power handling capabilities of their various transmissions - for potential customers. That means, that within their specified operating parameters, the gearbox needs to be reliable (for warranty purposes). This doesn't mean that it's incapable of holding more power. We will eventually see the approximate amount of power one can take before exploding - all gearboxes do eventually.

It only sounds like the SST will be unserviceable for a certain amount of time. Mitsu had a similar deal with Getrag years back with the transmission on the 3000GT VR4. In this case, I'm sure it's just in mitu's interest to find any components that are prone to failure. Eventually, they will have them serviced in shops, and we will then have the resources needed to develop aftermarket components. Until then, it's doubtful anyone spend $8k just to tinker - especially not in the current state of the economy.


In response to the power difference between the mr and the gsr, this is probably due to the additional pump on the mr which is used to pressurize the gearbox fluid. And the overheating? It's my understanding that everyone who simply removed the fog lights, and added a puller fan resolved this.


"The basic thing to understand is that Mitsu designed the tranny to be friendly for daily drivers who were intimidated by a manual tranny, but wanted an Evo...."

I don't think that's correct at all. Sure, this will hold true for some of the buyers, but I think mitsubishi was more in the mindset of "What is the most cutting edge technology we can incorporate in our flagship product". Which is the same as nissan with their gt-r. This is considering the bees knees of performance transmissions, and that's why they chose it.

I haven't seen any threads regarding blown SSTs, but I have read about destroyed manuals in GSRs. I also think "torque protection" is more of a by-product of incorrect tunes, and piggybacks, rather than a limit actually specified in the ecu/tcu software. Because it only appears to be happening when their is major discrepancies between sensors, or tables.

Lastly, theoretically, slushboxes can be made to shift faster than manuals, and they can skip around any combination of gears faster than a manual, or a dual clutch box. That might not be a big deal while racing because the correct gear should only be one gear away, but it help on the street. At any rate, when it comes to track duty, if I got to choose between two identical cars but one with a auto-manual, and the other with a standard, I know which one i'd pick - the faster one