I have no problem with the new mr or anything I have an 05 mr and I love the gears, however I understand if you want more gears they have to redesign the layout and size to get them to fit in a certain area. If you have 5 gears you can make them bigger and stronger, if you have a 6 gears you have to make them thinner to fit in the same relitive area, and if you have a sst with two clutch packs and 6 gears they have to sacrifice size. I'm not saying you can't get mad power out of the sst, I would love to see that, i'm just saying its going to take lots of time and money. I don't want anyone to have to deal with there tranny breaking but unfortunaly the best way to make something better is to destroy the hell out of it and look to see what failed. When i'm in the market for another car I will test drive both the gsr and mr just so I get the full story and not just someone saying, oh I don't like the new paddle shifters or its slow to shift. I will admit sometimes in heavy traffic I want an automatic, however when the road opens up god I love my manual. It's shouldn't be too much longer before shops are cracking them open to start upgrades.

 

Not just theoretical, it's a little known fact that pro drag racers use heavy duty automatic transmissions.

"That's because the brake-torque launch is an automatic specialty. This launch involves keeping the car stationary by flooring the brakes with the left foot, while using the right foot to rev up the engine against the torque converter. In technical terms, this preloads the entire drivetrain with the stress of a launch, allowing the engine to rev closer to its power and torque peaks at the starting line." (http://www.modernracer.com/tips/drag...echniques.html)

Given, the EvoX MR does not have a torque converter, but the pre-load of the torque should make it pretty potent off the line if the ecu were flashed with some launch control program. Also, slipping the clutches just a bit is necessary to get the most power to the ground. You just can't repeatedly do that time and time again with a manual (perfect slip, or pre-loading the tranny).

I also disagree with the "the-SST puts down less power to the ground" theory just because it has dual clutches. A similar argument could be made about GSR's running twin-disc clutches, etc. etc.

 

You mean the launch control that is built into the stock car?

verkion

 

Once replacement clutch packs are utilized and good hp/tq numbers are held properly, the MR version will be more desireable...

 

I generally agree with most of what you said but unless I'm a racing profession (I'm not) with a pit team to maintain my automobile (Something I don't have), I want the most engaging, reliable transmission.

As someone who does HPDEs, I have zero interest in an sequential manual as every single one that has made its way into consumer cars has had questionable reliable and frankly, I enjoy the processes of left-foot braking, heel-toe downshifting, and the general art form that goes into attempting to utilize a traditional manual to its greatest potential. I am not, however, out to break lap records or win races.

 

Don't hate, appreciate...And how you guys know it can't take more then 350 horses?

 

i wanted to buy the MR but when i found out that it was a SST not a true manual i got the GSR

 

Have to say i love the SST, wish i had s-sport mode though, seems like it would be a blast even for my car.

 

OK, I gotta ask: has nobody here gotten the $499 Vishnu tune for the MR?

Details here.

I'm planning on getting their Evo IX tune sometime soon, and at least a year or two back in the IX days they had quite the reputation...

 

all i can say is .... launching a automatic FTL

 

So the MR SST limit is around 350 wtq stock? What kind of WHP would you be seeing there?

Trying to answer my own question....

The Cobb Stage 1 Map is seeing about 300 WTQ and 305 WHP.

Biased on that range, 400 Crank HP would make approximately 399 Crank TQ.

Your Looking at a drive train loss ratio of .876 when comparing to stock rated crank HP and Stock WHP per the Cobb graph here: http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3942

Baised on that, you should see around 350 WHP and would make approximately 349 WTQ.


The MR SST Trans would have to handle more than 350 TQ at the crank since the British MR 400 w/ SST has 400 HP at the Crank. Unless they are selling that car with the SST right at the limit of its capabilities.

Even if, 400HP / 400TQ at the crank or 350WHP / 350WTQ is probably as high as 95% of EVO owners will ever see, GSR or MR. More than that is past general bolt ons.

Is my math right?

 

IMHO, X MR owners with SST (& VW people with DSG and GTR owners) are just early adaptors to technology improvements to transmissions.. think of us on the new s curve on technology ... (for example people who bought the first DVDs when VHS was out, and MP3 players when portible CD players were the norm..) we should all be thankful it isn't a true torque-converter automatic!

It will just be a matter of time for the rest of the market to catch up to technology changes.... having driven a MT pretty much when i was 16, i welcome the new SST in the Evo.. and i look forward to new advancements in transmissions, especially software/firmware upgrades that will allow for better response, and looking forward to new hardware upgrades to increase reliability and reduce stress/strain on hard driving..

as far as the HP limitations go, eh. i'd rather go all out driving 350HP than half throttle on a 600HP car, as far as car controllability and enjoyment is concerned...

 

The Evo X FQ330, FQ360 and FQ400 has the 5spd because of that reason

FQ300 is available with SST

 

That's strange, people usually ask me how i shift so fast lol

 

My MR is currently at 341 wtq and 308 whp. All is well but I hate the normal mode in auto, but when shifted manually, it is ok. The sport and s-sport mode shifted manually or auto are awesome. I come from a modded 2005 STI and this feels so much better to me. I am in control of the car as I want it as it was in my STI. The only thing I miss is not being able to shift to my desired gear manually with one move ie going from 6 to 4 needs 2 taps, other than this I am loving the car. Without the tune: milage 15-16 mpg, driving experience frustrating in the higher RPMs, with some mods and tune: milage 17-18 (same driving routine) and the driving experience exhilarating. I am waiting on some star specs Dunlop Direzzas and an alignment to complete phase 1.