Removing Pill
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Removing Pill
I read Cobb's instructions for removing one of the boost pills but what isn't clear is if I am to remove the entire line or just one end.
Anybody who have done this please chime in.
I don't want to do anything stupid and end of with a leak or worse.
Anybody who have done this please chime in.
I don't want to do anything stupid and end of with a leak or worse.
I looked at the stage 1 maps and the WGDC is NOT maxxed out. So why does Cobb tell you to remove the pill on stage 2 maps when there is plenty of WGDC left? You can simply add WGDC on stage 2 maps and achieve the desired 26-19 psi boost w/o removing the pill. This is very odd.
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I looked at the stage 1 maps and the WGDC is NOT maxxed out. So why does Cobb tell you to remove the pill on stage 2 maps when there is plenty of WGDC left? You can simply add WGDC on stage 2 maps and achieve the desired 26-19 psi boost w/o removing the pill. This is very odd.
As long as you are hitting your boost targets it's good to go, how you get there doesn't really matter.
I looked at the stage 1 maps and the WGDC is NOT maxxed out. So why does Cobb tell you to remove the pill on stage 2 maps when there is plenty of WGDC left? You can simply add WGDC on stage 2 maps and achieve the desired 26-19 psi boost w/o removing the pill. This is very odd.
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It should be noted that we have seen differences in teh boost control systems on these cars. Some need the restrictor pill modification done, some don't. If you are hitting targets there is no need to do the pill mod. If you aren't, then pulling the pill will help you hit your targets. It's best to start with the pill in and go from there.
Why remove the pill when on your stage 2 93 octane map the WGDC coarse is only set at 71% from 5000 to redline and the WGDC fine is only set at 75% from 2500 to redline @ WOT?
The boost can be increased by simply upping the WGDC to 100% on the coarse setting from 5000 rpm to redline. On the fine setting the boost can be increased by setting the WGDC at 100% when the throttle is at 70/80% from 2500 to redline.
There simply no reason to remove the pill when the WGDC tables are NOT maxxed out. That is the case with all your stage 2 maps.
Basically, maxxing out the tables in the proper rpm/throttle range will give you the desired boost w/o removing the pill. So why do it?
I am just trying to understand why it is done that way by Cobb.
The boost can be increased by simply upping the WGDC to 100% on the coarse setting from 5000 rpm to redline. On the fine setting the boost can be increased by setting the WGDC at 100% when the throttle is at 70/80% from 2500 to redline.
There simply no reason to remove the pill when the WGDC tables are NOT maxxed out. That is the case with all your stage 2 maps.
Basically, maxxing out the tables in the proper rpm/throttle range will give you the desired boost w/o removing the pill. So why do it?
I am just trying to understand why it is done that way by Cobb.
Why remove the pill when on your stage 2 93 octane map the WGDC coarse is only set at 71% from 5000 to redline and the WGDC fine is only set at 75% from 2500 to redline @ WOT? Just because cars you tune in CA run like that doesn't mean the rest of the nation does.
The boost can be increased by simply upping the WGDC to 100% on the coarse setting from 5000 rpm to redline. On the fine setting the boost can be increased by setting the WGDC at 100% when the throttle is at 70/80% from 2500 to redline.Again same thing, Evo X from around the nation are not exactly like Evo X's you have messed with in CA. Plus IIRC the 91 CA maps run lower boost tables to keep knock under control, since the gas that you have out there is similar to 'owl ****'.
There simply no reason to remove the pill when the WGDC tables are NOT maxxed out. That is the case with all your stage 2 maps.
Basically, maxxing out the tables in the proper rpm/throttle range will give you the desired boost w/o removing the pill. So why do it?To wrap this up, all cars are not created equal.
I am just trying to understand why it is done that way by Cobb.
The boost can be increased by simply upping the WGDC to 100% on the coarse setting from 5000 rpm to redline. On the fine setting the boost can be increased by setting the WGDC at 100% when the throttle is at 70/80% from 2500 to redline.Again same thing, Evo X from around the nation are not exactly like Evo X's you have messed with in CA. Plus IIRC the 91 CA maps run lower boost tables to keep knock under control, since the gas that you have out there is similar to 'owl ****'.
There simply no reason to remove the pill when the WGDC tables are NOT maxxed out. That is the case with all your stage 2 maps.
Basically, maxxing out the tables in the proper rpm/throttle range will give you the desired boost w/o removing the pill. So why do it?To wrap this up, all cars are not created equal.
I am just trying to understand why it is done that way by Cobb.
It should be noted that we have seen differences in the boost control systems on these cars. Some need the restrictor pill modification done, some don't. If you are hitting targets there is no need to do the pill mod. If you aren't, then pulling the pill will help you hit your targets. It's best to start with the pill in and go from there.
Just about every Evo X is different. The maps that most people are using are 'off the shelf' maps that are made to fit a wide range of variables - from location to altitude to the cars themselves.
Think of it this way, a 'OTS' map is akin to a shotgun, cheap to buy and cheap to shoot, and it hits a lot of stuff in one shot, so don't expect anything precision.
A custom tune would be like a custom long range centerfire rifle - expensive to buy, and expensive to shoot. But you'll hit the center everytime.
People need to stop nitpicking the OTS maps, the MazdaSpeed6 and MazdaSpeed3 guys did the same ****, and to the point where the Cobb guys got pissed off. Get a custom tune if it bothers you that much.
And why are you bringing this up? Aren't you a big self-proclaimed 'tuner-for-hire'. This is stuff covered in Tuning 101 along with how to make your Access Port flash 'intake manifold danger' on the screen.