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Old Feb 27, 2011, 06:32 PM
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Maybe when cold the engine needs a bit more advance to bring heat in and seal the piston rings bring the pressure up and up to operating temp a bit quicker. Or when the engine is cold it can't ignite fuel as well with lower timing.
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Originally Posted by Golden
Isn't this the map that controls that?

(for the 2010 maps)

<table name="Percent Low Temp Timing Trim vs Coolant Temp" address="561bc" category="Timing" type="2D" scaling="Percent255">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="61310" type="Y Axis" elements="8" scaling="TempFarenheit"/>
</table>
No that is another one..
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Sure its overly simplified and doesn't explain WHY, but at least we know it does it

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Got another table:



This one seems to be linked to a MAFHz Accumulator, absolutley no idea, but it looks like it is activated when the MAFHz accumulator sees 1800 grams of air (yeh weird)

I havn't worked out the interval for the collection period yet...

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Well I think that map is ONLY used when the engine isn't upto temp yet...

So we can pretty much ignore it
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This one is VERY interesting, there are two tables, but they look similar.

I am not really a fan of the +20*..

Seems to be applied when Actual MIVEC Exhaust is greater or less than the value in the map...

Might be the source of our low load knock bryan?
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ok... There are 4 tables, 2 for Intake 2 for Exhaust MIVEC.

Basically the ECU works out if the Actual Exhaust MIVEC is less than or greater than the Map Exhaust MIVEC.

Same for Intake MIVEC

Once it chooses which table to get the data from it then multiplies the actual difference by whatever the map lookup results in then divides by 0xA00

THEN it applies that as an ignition timing compensation...

ie, if you had 5* different between actual and map for the exhaust then it would be:

(5 * 32) * (whatever is in these 4 maps, ie 20*) / 0xA00 = 1.25*

so your timing would go up or down 1*

now this doesn't seem to be very much, but I just dont like the looks of these 4 tables:





The values just seem so random, 20 with 0's on either side...

I am thinking of zero'ing out these tables

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Old Feb 28, 2011, 12:31 AM
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Hrmm

Bryan your maps are already zero'd out.

I emailed you the def's..

a quick look at 52690022 shows they are similar to mine.. as is 2011 Au Evo.

MR vs GSR same thing almost..

Why the difference for RA vs Evo??

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Different cams stock?
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Originally Posted by Golden
Isn't this the map that controls that?

(for the 2010 maps)

<table name="Percent Low Temp Timing Trim vs Coolant Temp" address="561bc" category="Timing" type="2D" scaling="Percent255">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="61310" type="Y Axis" elements="8" scaling="TempFarenheit"/>
</table>
Every time I change that table it ends up triggering a P050B
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Originally Posted by tephra
Got another table:



This one seems to be linked to a MAFHz Accumulator, absolutley no idea, but it looks like it is activated when the MAFHz accumulator sees 1800 grams of air (yeh weird)

That sure looks just like the cold ignition retard table(s) from Evo 8/9
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Every time I change that table it ends up triggering a P050B
Does it idle better when cold?

When I zero out that table, my car runs a ton better in the cold when ECT < 120*F.
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Originally Posted by Golden
Does it idle better when cold?

When I zero out that table, my car runs a ton better in the cold when ECT < 120*F.

Yup works great on evo 8/9.

I put it back to OEM values on my RA because I was sick of getting the CEL.

Do you not get a P050B? The RA's seem to get it when tweaking that table.
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No I don't get it. I did it to a 2010 RA that I'm tuning. He is running an AP. I don't think he is throwing any codes. I'll double check.
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Just checked.. no CEL after a week or so.


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