Evo X - P0219 code help
Aug 30, 2011, 09:35 PM
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2) well who knows, "someone" cleared it, previous owner, dealer, safety check person... who cares...
P0219 and P1235 aren't linked... Especially when *David* says he can induce P1235 with more than 50% throttle... Like I said the boost solenoids are probably hooked up wrong...
3) mate it's not wrong!
In your case, 16384rpm is a bit of an odd number, it's 0x4000 HEX, which is too "round" to be actual real data...
In that vehicles case I would say the ECU is possible at fault... probably trying to flash it or something...
That would be a "blue moon" scenario IMHO...
Anyway's whatever, for someone that supposedly doesn't work at the dealership in question your doing an awful lot to try and dismiss and dispute his claims..
P0219 and P1235 aren't linked... Especially when *David* says he can induce P1235 with more than 50% throttle... Like I said the boost solenoids are probably hooked up wrong...
3) mate it's not wrong!
In your case, 16384rpm is a bit of an odd number, it's 0x4000 HEX, which is too "round" to be actual real data...
In that vehicles case I would say the ECU is possible at fault... probably trying to flash it or something...
That would be a "blue moon" scenario IMHO...
Anyway's whatever, for someone that supposedly doesn't work at the dealership in question your doing an awful lot to try and dismiss and dispute his claims..
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Aug 30, 2011, 11:57 PM
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Yeah it is probably the boost solenoids hooked up wrong......being a stock vehicle and all although *David* did state I hope motor isn't gone, seems to have full power Hmmmm wonder if it would log a DTC if they were hooked up wrong??
I've done a bit more research, this code is logged if the vehicle logs more than 8043rpm. It may have been a stored code and the current owner may not have logged it, but the dealer may have come across it whilst investigating the engine light being on (in this because of DTC P1235)
Its quite possible it was modified before the current owner bought it.
Lol @ ecu fault for the overspeed code on this stock Triton. Yeah, they probably were trying to 'flash the ecu'. Do you really think someone is interested in 'flashing' their "Jimbos Plumbing" workhorse vehicle? and to add to that, the ECU was replaced as it was part of the diagnostic flow chart and it didn't do squat.
Not a 'blue moon' scenario either just because you don't read it on the interwebz doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Im not affiliated with the dealer Davids car is at.
Andrew
I've done a bit more research, this code is logged if the vehicle logs more than 8043rpm. It may have been a stored code and the current owner may not have logged it, but the dealer may have come across it whilst investigating the engine light being on (in this because of DTC P1235)
Its quite possible it was modified before the current owner bought it.
Lol @ ecu fault for the overspeed code on this stock Triton. Yeah, they probably were trying to 'flash the ecu'. Do you really think someone is interested in 'flashing' their "Jimbos Plumbing" workhorse vehicle? and to add to that, the ECU was replaced as it was part of the diagnostic flow chart and it didn't do squat.
Not a 'blue moon' scenario either just because you don't read it on the interwebz doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Im not affiliated with the dealer Davids car is at.
Andrew
Aug 31, 2011, 03:15 AM
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well given he has only had his X for a couple of weeks maybe he doesn't know what full power is.. P0243 and P0247 are only for missing solenoid or solenoid malfunction, not vacuum line/hookup problem..
who knows maybe it is tuned - just not very well...
regardless there are two problems, the ECU is detecting one (P1235) and warning of another (P0219)... what more do you want?
I have personally been contacted by a few people and tuning shops regarding Triton tuning, so I guess there is a market for it...
replacing the ECU doesn't guarantee fixing P0219, you probably need to replace ECU+ETACS + maybe the combometer...
just trolling then?
who knows maybe it is tuned - just not very well...
regardless there are two problems, the ECU is detecting one (P1235) and warning of another (P0219)... what more do you want?
I have personally been contacted by a few people and tuning shops regarding Triton tuning, so I guess there is a market for it...
replacing the ECU doesn't guarantee fixing P0219, you probably need to replace ECU+ETACS + maybe the combometer...
just trolling then?
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Aug 31, 2011, 06:07 AM
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Yep
You're the exact type of person dealers dread because you think you know it all and put crap into other peoples head and lead them astray.
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P0219 is a permanent DTC, meaning you cant clear it (without replacing lots of stuff anyways)
wrong. again. Mitsubishi have a bulletin which outlines what to do if this code presents itself. It can be cleared without replacing 'lots of stuff' in fact nothing at all.
P0219 is engine over-speed, which means the engine has reved higher than factory specification. This of course doesn't necessarily mean the engine is FUBAR, but there is a high probability... enough to warrant pulling the head and doing and inspection..
You've got no idea. Removing a head because of an over speed code? What about a compression test? That would reveal what you want to know (alleged bent valves).
You have no idea about whats involved with the warranty side of things either lol or getting 'Mits Corp' involved.
You think i'm trolling? By offering factual information and procedure? You just don't like that someones stepped up to the plate and told you you're full of crap.
I know exactly what is going on with this car (which i'm not going to divulge)
I have been spoken to directly about this car besides whats on here
I am involved with more problems with Ralliarts and Evos and Mitsubishis than you could ever dream about offering crap advice too
Andrew
You're the exact type of person dealers dread because you think you know it all and put crap into other peoples head and lead them astray.
eg.
P0219 is a permanent DTC, meaning you cant clear it (without replacing lots of stuff anyways)
wrong. again. Mitsubishi have a bulletin which outlines what to do if this code presents itself. It can be cleared without replacing 'lots of stuff' in fact nothing at all.
P0219 is engine over-speed, which means the engine has reved higher than factory specification. This of course doesn't necessarily mean the engine is FUBAR, but there is a high probability... enough to warrant pulling the head and doing and inspection..
You've got no idea. Removing a head because of an over speed code? What about a compression test? That would reveal what you want to know (alleged bent valves).
You have no idea about whats involved with the warranty side of things either lol or getting 'Mits Corp' involved.
You think i'm trolling? By offering factual information and procedure? You just don't like that someones stepped up to the plate and told you you're full of crap.
I know exactly what is going on with this car (which i'm not going to divulge)
I have been spoken to directly about this car besides whats on here
I am involved with more problems with Ralliarts and Evos and Mitsubishis than you could ever dream about offering crap advice too
Andrew
Aug 31, 2011, 06:24 AM
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P0219 is engine over-speed, which means the engine has reved higher than factory specification. This of course doesn't necessarily mean the engine is FUBAR, but there is a high probability... enough to warrant pulling the head and doing and inspection..
You've got no idea. Removing a head because of an over speed code? What about a compression test? That would reveal what you want to know (alleged bent valves).
You've got no idea. Removing a head because of an over speed code? What about a compression test? That would reveal what you want to know (alleged bent valves).
You have no idea about whats involved with the warranty side of things either lol or getting 'Mits Corp' involved.
I know exactly what is going on with this car
I am involved with more problems with Ralliarts and Evos and Mitsubishis than you could ever dream about offering crap advice too
Aug 31, 2011, 07:50 AM
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I can't link that info sorry. It's for MMAL Employees only.
I got arced up because the owner buys this car for x amount of dollars, it has a fault with it, he jumps on the forums and asks these internet mechanics about it, they give him the wrong information and tell him he's damaged the motor, he won't get warranty, he should return the car yada yada yada.
That sorta thing makes the customer lose faith in the product and gives them stress they don't need.
lol and customers certainly can't tell dealers what to do if its a warranty concern.
Just let the dealer do what they need to.
Andrew
I got arced up because the owner buys this car for x amount of dollars, it has a fault with it, he jumps on the forums and asks these internet mechanics about it, they give him the wrong information and tell him he's damaged the motor, he won't get warranty, he should return the car yada yada yada.
That sorta thing makes the customer lose faith in the product and gives them stress they don't need.
lol and customers certainly can't tell dealers what to do if its a warranty concern.
Just let the dealer do what they need to.
Andrew
Aug 31, 2011, 07:55 AM
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Well tell me the bulletin number, I will look it up...
Besides I don't think my info was wrong..
1) P0219 is pretty serious, it means the motor has been rev'd over the factory limits
2) factory limit is there to stop damage occurring to the engine
3) thus it's highly likely there is damage to the motor
I suggested going back to the dealer. *David* was the one that said he was going to return or claim it under warranty..
Besides I don't think my info was wrong..
1) P0219 is pretty serious, it means the motor has been rev'd over the factory limits
2) factory limit is there to stop damage occurring to the engine
3) thus it's highly likely there is damage to the motor
I suggested going back to the dealer. *David* was the one that said he was going to return or claim it under warranty..
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Aug 31, 2011, 08:16 AM
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Is this dealership guy saying that no damage will occur if you rev a stock engine past 8000 RPM? (Stock Rev limiter is 7500)
Did they even check out the engine after seeing the code?
And (playing devil's advocate) Who's to say the owner didn't drive it off the lot and rev it past 8000 RPM?
Did they even check out the engine after seeing the code?
And (playing devil's advocate) Who's to say the owner didn't drive it off the lot and rev it past 8000 RPM?
Aug 31, 2011, 08:32 AM
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If you have the ability to look it up I won't tell you the bulletin number. You should be able to find it easily enough through searching, im not trying to be a *****, I just can't give you any direct info in regards to it.
Lol. Dealership guy.
Damage may occur if you over rev the motor. It won't do it on an upshift (say 2nd---->3rd) as the factory rev limit will cut the fun, however downshifting (5th------>2nd) for example, will physically make the engine over rev (depending what load the engine is under)
I can't really comment any further on this car. Its not fair to the owner us talking about it like this.
Just be aware in future its not just enthusiasts or so called dealership guys who read the forums
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Lol. Dealership guy.
Damage may occur if you over rev the motor. It won't do it on an upshift (say 2nd---->3rd) as the factory rev limit will cut the fun, however downshifting (5th------>2nd) for example, will physically make the engine over rev (depending what load the engine is under)
I can't really comment any further on this car. Its not fair to the owner us talking about it like this.
Just be aware in future its not just enthusiasts or so called dealership guys who read the forums
Andrew
Aug 31, 2011, 08:56 AM
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Damage may occur if you over rev the motor. It won't do it on an upshift (say 2nd---->3rd) as the factory rev limit will cut the fun, however downshifting (5th------>2nd) for example, will physically make the engine over rev (depending what load the engine is under)
Andrew
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Aug 31, 2011, 09:03 AM
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Not sure who Peter is?
The dealer would investigate what code the DTC is, follow the diagnostic procedures for the DTC, and carry out all the tests required on the flow chart. If the solution could not be found, the Dealer would look further into the car itself e.g. modifications, service history, previous issues with the vehicle, what type of person drives the car and possibly speak to MMAL to see if they had seen any issues like this before. If not, it could well be an isolated issue (not necessarily talking about this issue) and therefore need deeper investigation.
Warranty wouldn't necessarily be denied but everything that is a warranty concern is investigated on some level.
The OP said he had a TC-SST. Unless the programming is different in the Evo X than my RA the ecu will not all you to over rev on a downshift, it simply wont allow the downshift to occur until the speed is correct for that gear.
I would have to confirm that. It may be different but if not it could be an electrical 'interference' issue if that was the case (P0219 code logging)
Andrew
The dealer would investigate what code the DTC is, follow the diagnostic procedures for the DTC, and carry out all the tests required on the flow chart. If the solution could not be found, the Dealer would look further into the car itself e.g. modifications, service history, previous issues with the vehicle, what type of person drives the car and possibly speak to MMAL to see if they had seen any issues like this before. If not, it could well be an isolated issue (not necessarily talking about this issue) and therefore need deeper investigation.
Warranty wouldn't necessarily be denied but everything that is a warranty concern is investigated on some level.
The OP said he had a TC-SST. Unless the programming is different in the Evo X than my RA the ecu will not all you to over rev on a downshift, it simply wont allow the downshift to occur until the speed is correct for that gear.
I would have to confirm that. It may be different but if not it could be an electrical 'interference' issue if that was the case (P0219 code logging)
Andrew
Sep 1, 2011, 10:14 AM
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In regards to the way this conversation is degenerating please keep things sane (so far they have been relatively sane, but feel free to PM me if anyone needs to).
I'm not saying the motor is FUBARed, and I'm not saying the DTC is or is not clear-able, I'm not saying the car should be returned right away, but if this DTC isn't/shouldn't-be possible on a SST equipped car I would think some warranty work and some documentation to back it up from MMAL would be in order.
I will say that tephra has provided specific examples and while evvox has provided some information, it is all ambiguous and out there. If you are just going to troll the conversation and lead it astray please provide your input and leave it at that. If your points can't be argued then beating a dead horse gets us nowhere, and if you can't give information to the owner (to bring here) or get information here in any round-about way I have a bit of a hard time believing the information you are giving. When you say you know what it is, then continue to offer a roundabout answer that is not the case because you say you can't give it that removes the appearance of some validity from your other statements.
I'm not saying you are wrong evvox, and you might be valuable to the community... but I am saying that it seems (to me) that you are going about this in the wrong way.
Please keep it on track, and for the love of god end the suspense and tell us whats happening!
If someone wants this thread to be halted until the problem is resolved feel free to let me know and I will review the situation with the other mods.
I'm not saying the motor is FUBARed, and I'm not saying the DTC is or is not clear-able, I'm not saying the car should be returned right away, but if this DTC isn't/shouldn't-be possible on a SST equipped car I would think some warranty work and some documentation to back it up from MMAL would be in order.
I will say that tephra has provided specific examples and while evvox has provided some information, it is all ambiguous and out there. If you are just going to troll the conversation and lead it astray please provide your input and leave it at that. If your points can't be argued then beating a dead horse gets us nowhere, and if you can't give information to the owner (to bring here) or get information here in any round-about way I have a bit of a hard time believing the information you are giving. When you say you know what it is, then continue to offer a roundabout answer that is not the case because you say you can't give it that removes the appearance of some validity from your other statements.
I'm not saying you are wrong evvox, and you might be valuable to the community... but I am saying that it seems (to me) that you are going about this in the wrong way.
Please keep it on track, and for the love of god end the suspense and tell us whats happening!
If someone wants this thread to be halted until the problem is resolved feel free to let me know and I will review the situation with the other mods.
Sep 2, 2011, 01:11 AM
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Ok i'll bite
You guys should read your owners manual more
I've attached the page regarding the TC-SST operation for you
It's not my place to provide information about the customers vehicle (as he may not want it published) and I don't really feel the need to justify the information I give regarding MMAL.
Sure it makes it very difficult to believe everything I say but thats life.
Tephra says he has the ability to look bulletins up so I say go for it, knock yourself out and be the golden boy on evolutionm.net for providing the info.
But for the hell of it, i'll give you a taste of the bulletin, not all of it however, because well what for? You guys don't deserve it, you accuse me of being a troll because I can't provide information that really isn't mine to give.
Of course the full bulletin outlines what you need to do if you encounter the code Refer Tephra for the full bulletin
Thanks for your support
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You guys should read your owners manual more
I've attached the page regarding the TC-SST operation for you
It's not my place to provide information about the customers vehicle (as he may not want it published) and I don't really feel the need to justify the information I give regarding MMAL.
Sure it makes it very difficult to believe everything I say but thats life.
Tephra says he has the ability to look bulletins up so I say go for it, knock yourself out and be the golden boy on evolutionm.net for providing the info.
But for the hell of it, i'll give you a taste of the bulletin, not all of it however, because well what for? You guys don't deserve it, you accuse me of being a troll because I can't provide information that really isn't mine to give.
Of course the full bulletin outlines what you need to do if you encounter the code
Refer Tephra for the full bulletin
Thanks for your support
Andrew
