Solution To Shifting Problem
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^Well, you would have to really blow a shift badly to do tranny damage, but I'm not disagreeing. One thing that really bothers me is that you are implying that those of us who are having this problem are driving the car too hard and abusing it. IT'S STILL IN THE BREAK IN, do you really think that I am ragging the car and abusing it, or that anyone else is for that matter? Not only that, but I am a very competant driver and have race school training. Implying that if I were driving the car right like the guy with "93000 miles and still no problems" is insulting and with all due respect, a comment that you're not quaified to make when you don't even own a X or have even driven one, for that matter. If you drove one and felt the notchiness with gentle shifting, you would say, "I'm sorry, I guess you are right." Either way the notchiness is in fact getting better, which also puts to rest your claim that tranny components don't have any break in. Well if that's the case then why is it getting better? Magic? I am not trying to be an ******* here, but you have made some comments that have insulted myself and all those that are having this problem with your implications that the issue is our fault and not the car's. Go drive one before making any further comments, please.
I gotta say the exact same thing happened to me. It seems that once I got pass about 500 miles(i am close to 600 right now) the tranny smoothed out a little bit. It still has a little bit of the grinding but it isnt nearly as bad as it was at say 100-200 miles. One thing that I did was just DRIVE the car. I didnt do any special tricks to keep it from grinding or any of that(because in my opinion I still have a warranty and I would much rather it brake now then at 60,000 miles when it is out of warranty because I have been changing the way that I drive and delaying the inevitable(spelling)).
Well, I am happy to report that my notchiness is getting better. All of the sudden actually, it's strange. My 2nd to 3rd is still notchy, but has improved and my 1st to 2nd has almost gone away completely. I just passed the 600 mile mark, and I am thinking that it will only improve even more. Strange thing is that it's cold today, which would usually make the problem worse. So I guess that things are finally starting to wear in. What seems to have helped is just shifting gears as much as possible to beak in the synchros. It's helping mine, at least. Noize, I find it strange that mine is improving at 600 miles and that you have 3k plus and yours hasn't changed. I know that you mentioned that speed shifting, which mine seems to respond well to, doesn't work on yours. That's strange because techically speaking, shifting quickly before the rpms drop is better for the synchros anyway, because it makes their job easier when the gears are already spinning at speeds more suitable for the next gear. It doesn't make any sense that your tranny doesnt like this. Either way, as I mentioned in my first post I think that you and all the others should call and make mention of this issue just so that mitsu is at least aware of the problem. It's starting to seem to me to not be a mechanical issue but rather a "just need to be broken in" issue, or a fluid issue, which was my initial suspicion. Perhaps they will make a change to the fluid that will make this break in process quicker and easier. Who knows...
^Well, you would have to really blow a shift badly to do tranny damage, but I'm not disagreeing. One thing that really bothers me is that you are implying that those of us who are having this problem are driving the car too hard and abusing it. IT'S STILL IN THE BREAK IN, do you really think that I am ragging the car and abusing it, or that anyone else is for that matter? Not only that, but I am a very competant driver and have race school training. Implying that if I were driving the car right like the guy with "93000 miles and still no problems" is insulting and with all due respect, a comment that you're not quaified to make when you don't even own a X or have even driven one, for that matter. If you drove one and felt the notchiness with gentle shifting, you would say, "I'm sorry, I guess you are right." Either way the notchiness is in fact getting better, which also puts to rest your claim that tranny components don't have any break in. Well if that's the case then why is it getting better? Magic? I am not trying to be an ******* here, but you have made some comments that have insulted myself and all those that are having this problem with your implications that the issue is our fault and not the car's. Go drive one before making any further comments, please.
Sorry if you think I was trying to insult you or others.. I was drawing a comparison to what Other Forum Members have claimed... If a tranny requires a break-in, I still think there is something not right, It should shift smooth right out of the crate or something isn't right.
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Perhaps I was taking what you said wrong, but it just seemed to me that you were dismissing the fact that the problem is in fact with the car and not with the drivers. Also, the problem does seem to be improving with mileage, so it seems that the synchros DO need to be broken in. The more I look at it the more I see it as a quirk than a problem, but either way I hink that you should go out and drive one before commenting further, just to have first hand experience with the issue so that you will know exactly what we're all talking about.
Perhaps I was taking what you said wrong, but it just seemed to me that you were dismissing the fact that the problem is in fact with the car and not with the drivers. Also, the problem does seem to be improving with mileage, so it seems that the synchros DO need to be broken in. The more I look at it the more I see it as a quirk than a problem, but either way I hink that you should go out and drive one before commenting further, just to have first hand experience with the issue so that you will know exactly what we're all talking about.
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Very true, so if I was a bit abrasive then I apologize. BTW, I love AMSOIL stuff. I ran the signature series SSO 0W30 in my STi, and as soon as I pass 1000 miles I'm going to run it in my EVO. BTW, why does amsoil not make a 75w80 gear oil? That's what the new EVO is specified for, and I think that perhaps a better fluid will help the synchros. I wish you guys made something that I could use. What do you recommend? I hear that Castrol has some good, specialized racing fluids that work well. Thanks.
Don't worry about it.... I sometimes type in Code where I can hardly understand it myself..
We do have a 75-80 that is used in some transmissions, but I will have to check if it can be used in the EVO tranny..
Would you happen to have a Spec or even a part # on that fluid ? I am still thinking that the SVG 75W-90 will work without any problems though as most other gear lubes on the market don't even meet the Spec's on the bottle.
And if you aren't hooked up with anyone for AMSOIL, let me know, I sell it at my Cost to Forum Members..
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We do have a 75-80 that is used in some transmissions, but I will have to check if it can be used in the EVO tranny..
Would you happen to have a Spec or even a part # on that fluid ? I am still thinking that the SVG 75W-90 will work without any problems though as most other gear lubes on the market don't even meet the Spec's on the bottle.
And if you aren't hooked up with anyone for AMSOIL, let me know, I sell it at my Cost to Forum Members..
Doc
Perhaps I was taking what you said wrong, but it just seemed to me that you were dismissing the fact that the problem is in fact with the car and not with the drivers. Also, the problem does seem to be improving with mileage, so it seems that the synchros DO need to be broken in. The more I look at it the more I see it as a quirk than a problem, but either way I hink that you should go out and drive one before commenting further, just to have first hand experience with the issue so that you will know exactly what we're all talking about.
I still think there is a clutch restrictor issue aggravating things as well, but not all of these cars are created equal. I noticed my problem the very first time I shifted the car, and although the problem has all but gone away, it is because I have adapted my shifting style, not that it has gotten better.
Unless I shift quite slowly, I will almost always get a bit of a notch on the 1-2 near redline. At partial throttle, at downshifts, and around 4000rpm it never happens.
This is my tenth manual transmission car, and I have never had another one (including three other Mitsubishis- my DSM, Evo VIII, and Evo IX) exhibit this behavior, and I bought most all of them new.
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