If you owned and raced AWD for many years, then you might have some credibility.

But if you only raced RWD and this is your first AWD, you probably need to do some more research and learn how to launch.

I don't see how the EVO X's 5spd manual is any different than the EVO VIIIs or IXs.

 

I have owned and raced AWD DSM's for many years... Can we try to stay on topic now please?

 

I havent attempted to launch this car, but I didnt have any issues at all on the track. I never removed the restrictor pill in my VIII though, and had no issues launching with 1.6-1.8 60ft times. Then again, I had a twin plate Exedy for the clutch

 

ok sorry buddy. so stop launching the car then? The car is build for handling..not drag racing?

that will preserve your clutch and transmission. DONE deal, case closed

 

Luke?

 

sorry no

 

Agreed! If you want to drag race buy a vette or buy a clutch. Its quite simple

 

I understand where your coming from man, but you just explained why mitsu does this:

"mitsu goes overboard when trying to preserve the drivetrain with the restrictor pill, rev limiter in neutral, and uber soft clutches. It's a problem easily rectified by removing the restrictor pill and upgrading the clutch and line, but at the expense of voiding your warranty"

This allows them to not have to worry about providing factory support for weekend racers and keeps the costs of warranty work down. You gotta look at it from their financial perspective. If they gave you a stronger clutch, no pill, and a higher rev limit they would be replacing drive train parts under warranty.

I honestly don't think removing the pill on the X is going to do as much as it did for the VIII and IX given that the car is heavier now but hopefully I will be wrong about that.

 

Very active in motorsports community throughout Southeast, who are you and what do you race? Probably know, instructed or supplied you at some point.

As to CDVs, BMW M3 owners will tell you that removing the CDV completely transforms the M3 experience; up, down and heel/toeing shifting ALL improve under every scenario and the more performance oriented the driver, the more noticable the improvements. The only people helped by a CDV in the BMW's case are those new to manual trannies.

Dan Law
DER MotorSports

 

This thread is an example as to why I'll never buy a used Evo.

 

not a newb but a newb in evo's I see. He owns an evo not the X though

 

Mr. Bonus:

I have customers who have modified the he11 out of Evos (and STis), drove them properly (including TT) BUT also maintained them religiously - would have bought their autos without question. Just as info, didn't buy any of the performance parts through me so no interest in stating this other than a properly driven and maintained auto is good no matter how it has been used. You don't think the real Porsche owners drive their autos (not the poseurs, the REAL owners who have been driving (and OF COURSE, tracking) various 911s since pre ba$tard days)?

Dan Law
DER MotorSports

 

Proper maintenance doesn't account for the stress on gears, driveshafts, clutches, and key engine components, etc. that occur from frequent track use and hard launches. The fact that many of these cars are owned by a younger, less responsible crowd makes it an even less attractive proposition compared to a Porsche. I don't really see how that comment is relevant regardless.

 

Mr. Bonus:

Maybe I deal with a different type of owner being that they are going to proper DEs, TTs or racing but I do find that their maintenance is top rate irrespective of age. Perhaps it has to deal more with their regularity of approaching 40 MPH corners at 130+ versus the carnage of street "racing" or drag racing. Whatever the reason they do maintain their autos properly and hence checking all items frequently/replacing at signs of wear.

My point was that old Porsches even today command premium prices because in the old days, those who didn't know how to drive were either killed or scared away pretty quickly transferring ownership to the aforementioned astute owners. These days, the 911 is so docile that we see a lot of people with no business owning one and using it as a daily driver - he11, take Porsche's 4 wheel drive which is designed not to make the auto perform better but keep the unskilled alive; same with the TipTronic. However, when pushed to that last 5% the new RWD 911s become suddenly very neutral and at the last 1% revert back to their old ways. I have owned and love 911s, have owned the new water-cooled variants and would have one again if my finances ever permit it - it's the best auto in the world. Unfortunately these days it is so benign that even the totally ham fisted and unknowledgable (oblivious) owner can live with one. Thus we are going to see a lot of used 911s on the market that were not well maintained per your comment on Evos.

However, hard driven does not equate to poorly maintained nor worn out and I stick to that statement.

 

I personally think it's a double edged sword. It appears like Mitsu made the cars "tame" out of the box on purpose. If you want speed, power, 1.5 60-foots, etc, etc, you're going to have to void their warranty to do it. Plain and simple. It's easy to make the X better, but it'll be at the expense of the warranty for sure.