Ets, perrin, ur, or ams intercooler?
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It is hard to believe that just a pipe might give you that much power...
Damn, good for you you're in the US now!
I was in the States for like 100 times on business visit and that is the only country I would say YES and move over there permanently in a minute!
Damn, good for you you're in the US now!
I was in the States for like 100 times on business visit and that is the only country I would say YES and move over there permanently in a minute!
Yeah, the UICP is really terrible from a mechanical perspective. The rubber is very soft and flimsy, usually it swells under pressure, thus there is a good gain to be had with just a UICP. The LICP is not too bad from the factory, but it can be improved by removing the large coupler that joins to the throttle body.
The cast end tanks supposedly are smoother and flow better, but yes the thing is pretty heavy.
I just installed the AMS IC, it's a quality piece and overall I'm satisfied with it.
A couple of minor negatives:
- You must remove the vibration damper bolted to the brace that connects the side chassis frame rails (maybe it's actually a good thing because that damper is heavy)
- AMS does not include new connector hoses and you must re-use the stock hoses to connect the IC to the upper and lower intercooler pipes
I just installed the AMS IC, it's a quality piece and overall I'm satisfied with it.
A couple of minor negatives:
- You must remove the vibration damper bolted to the brace that connects the side chassis frame rails (maybe it's actually a good thing because that damper is heavy)
- AMS does not include new connector hoses and you must re-use the stock hoses to connect the IC to the upper and lower intercooler pipes
Last edited by lowkey; Dec 16, 2009 at 08:32 AM.
One of our customers just did his own independant test on IAT's for our FMIC. I cannot Verify the accuracy of it but looks pretty stout.
This is a full bolt on evo X running in 60 deg ambient temps. The temp doesn't rise at all and in fact starts to drop a bit near redline.
Again this is not our test so I cannot verify the accuracy of the test.
Eric
This is a full bolt on evo X running in 60 deg ambient temps. The temp doesn't rise at all and in fact starts to drop a bit near redline.
Again this is not our test so I cannot verify the accuracy of the test.
Eric
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The manifold IAT isn't very responsive/accurate. I've done testing with my methanol injection, and it always takes several seconds for it to catch up with what are the actual intake temperatures. It heat soaks pretty badly being screwed straight into the intake manifold.
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As I still do not know what to buy I keep searching for the opinions.
Below is what I've found, can someone comment on that?
ETS Michael, can you please tell me what the pressure drop is in ETS' I/Cs?
Below is what I've found, can someone comment on that?
You are probably losing spool, but because you drove around on the laggy, out of whack tune for so long before geting the car tuned, you probably don't remember what the car felt like on the stock IC. It's impossible to not lose a few hundred rpms in spool from a bigger intercooler bro, it's simple physics; a big baloon takes longer to inflate than a smaller baloon. There is no question of this. Now, you say you picked up 25-30 whp after a tune? Of course you did. The tune still further leaned out your A/F ratios, upped boost, timing, mivec was adjusted, etc. The question is, are you making any more than someone with the same mods but on the stock IC?
My gut instinct says you are not. Hence, the reason why I started this thread to begin with. I want to know if a front mount upgrade makes power on top of a tune on the X, because it did NOT on the 8/9. I've gone through the ringer with this one, because I want to believe that it does make power, but I just don't think it will. See, at first I was skeptical and didn't buy into the idea of the front mount upgrade on a stock turbo because common sense told me that there is no way that the stock turbo is outflowing the stock IC or overheating it. But, I held out hope that maybe the X is different...
I started to get a little curious after seeing all these vendor dyno plots before I realized that they were all on the STOCK tune. Did more research, talked with a few experts, and then reality kicked back in. They do make power on the stock tune, but because they affect AFRs, boost, load cells, etc. But once tuned, in most cases add no power and only increase lag. This is 100% the case with the 8/9, and I'm sure applies to the X as well. Despite my wishful thinking of the X standing to benefit more from a front mount upgrade because of the hotter turbo placement and inlet temps on the stock IC, I suspect that results will be the same as the 8/9 and that the stock IC is best for the stock turbo.
My gut instinct says you are not. Hence, the reason why I started this thread to begin with. I want to know if a front mount upgrade makes power on top of a tune on the X, because it did NOT on the 8/9. I've gone through the ringer with this one, because I want to believe that it does make power, but I just don't think it will. See, at first I was skeptical and didn't buy into the idea of the front mount upgrade on a stock turbo because common sense told me that there is no way that the stock turbo is outflowing the stock IC or overheating it. But, I held out hope that maybe the X is different...
I started to get a little curious after seeing all these vendor dyno plots before I realized that they were all on the STOCK tune. Did more research, talked with a few experts, and then reality kicked back in. They do make power on the stock tune, but because they affect AFRs, boost, load cells, etc. But once tuned, in most cases add no power and only increase lag. This is 100% the case with the 8/9, and I'm sure applies to the X as well. Despite my wishful thinking of the X standing to benefit more from a front mount upgrade because of the hotter turbo placement and inlet temps on the stock IC, I suspect that results will be the same as the 8/9 and that the stock IC is best for the stock turbo.
ETS Michael, can you please tell me what the pressure drop is in ETS' I/Cs?
I just installed a UR UICP... I really like it.. it's quality and cost me 168.00 shipped... whereas the other brands are what? In the 300's? That alone would help me choose which IC to go with, although I don't know all the prices on the IC's. Contact the UR vendor on here and get an EvoM price.
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Yep, they do 1&2-piece kit.
I already ordered 2-piece polished.
I will get ETS 3.5" I/C too, but as my turbo upgrade will be postponed I am not sure if there is any point to install it with the stock turbo?
I will tune it, probably install BC 272, for sure H-M intake but will be the bigger I/C of any help?
I already ordered 2-piece polished.
I will get ETS 3.5" I/C too, but as my turbo upgrade will be postponed I am not sure if there is any point to install it with the stock turbo?
I will tune it, probably install BC 272, for sure H-M intake but will be the bigger I/C of any help?
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Later, Ken