It will come down to cost/benefit I think. It costs a lot less to get a FP Black and direct swap than it will for a full turbo kit using a GTX 3076r. Are you planning on building the motor? What power level are you aiming for? Are you going to be on pump gas or E-85?

 

^^ true, thats why I qualified and said the black is still where I'd go. Only exception is if you plan to go bigger in the future, you could get the kit for gtx3076 and then upgrade to the gtx3582 later down the road. But a black will give you most of the performance for wayyyy less. Why I went with one :-)

 

I'm not so worried about the cost difference, bc if I go with a black I know I would splurge and buy a manifold. Black and mani would be running close to 3000, not quite. Sure a gtx would cost more, but if I'm happier with it(gtx) I think the extra expense on the front end would be worth it.

 

I've got a buschur stage 3 short block and head, and just about every supporting mod except for fuel.... depending on how far I push it. That's another reason I have been leaning towards a gtx, as if I decide to push it further down the road it will be easy to do. I think 430whp+/- on a dynodynamics would get me by if I could get it on 93. But I also want broad power as well, hence my selection in a smaller t3 turbo.

 

GTX3076 with a decent A/R hotside and T3 should give you a bit more top-end power than a black.

If you are comparing the bolt on Garrett 3076 to the black, I wouldn't bother. Then just do the black hands down. Just make sure you run the reccomended oil though

 

The GTX3076R kit would be around $4000.00 to do from us, not sure what the black measures out to be. For another $150.00 we can use a TiAL V-band turbine housing

We haven't had a chance to test it yet, but if your interested in a kit, we could definitely build it for you.

For what you get.. it's a great buy. Spool up would be crazy on the evolution x, since a GT35R w/ a .63 T3 Turbine Housing spools up just over 4k.

Thanks!

Michael

 

Is there any advantage to the tial besides just ease of install/changing turbos?

 

TiAL housings are cast stainless, they retain heat better because of this, reulting in slightly faster spool, and lower engine bay temps. Not to mention they are baller as hell

 

Not everyone, as you apparently didn't see my post...
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Sounds good, found a test by buschur and he noticed spool was nearly the same, but mentioned all the obvious gains with it. Sounds like that would be the way to go.

 

I would use the GTX, personally. It will swap with many turbos making it easy for future changes/upgrades, its ball bearing, you have the option of TiAl housings, etc...

One thing that most people dont take into account is boost to backpressure ratio. With the stock frame turbos you run very high backpressure levels when making high power. Running a larger frame turbo makes this much less of an issue.

 

that 30r does seem to be nice

 

there are housings that fit a normal gt3076r that bolt right up to the stock manifold, the same housings work for a gtx3076r.

just using regular off the shelf prices from atp and FP it would cost less than 1800 for a gtx3076r that bolts up to the stock manifold. but i believe they would require a tial MVR so it would cost more than 2100 to get on. never the less you wouldnt need a full kit.

 

Actually i asked about this , the compressor side is different on the GTX and won't fit the existing ATP housing. I'm waiting for the release of this for my turbo swap =). That compressor map just looks amazing

 

Yup! Also without a doubt the GTX3076 will be more efficient than a FP Black at higher pressure ratios.