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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 06:00 AM
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We all make mistakes. I don't see any reason for other ppl to worry about it that much. The conversation now should be, what happened at the track, and of course, what are you gonna do with it now? Over the top rebuild or pretty much the same?
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PatricksEvilEvo
The owner of the car should know not to let them tow it with a dolly. It's his fault, good job ruining your car.
So if a little old lady broke down on the side of the road had a AWD car and the tow coming did the same thing. Its her fault. gtfo of my thread *** clown.

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We all make mistakes. I don't see any reason for other ppl to worry about it that much. The conversation now should be, what happened at the track, and of course, what are you gonna do with it now? Over the top rebuild or pretty much the same?
Still trying to figure that one. Only thought is detonation/knock. As for my build. I'm going with...

Manly Pistons
Manly I Beam rods
ARP Head/Main bolts
GSC valve springs
GSC S2 Cams
Ferrea Competition +1mm valves
PNP head (if its salvagable)

And thats about it unless the cylinder walls are ****ed then obviously ill need to get them either bored or sleeved. i got almost everything done to get the head off. Just need to find a impact gun to get the crank pulley off. Then remove a few things to loosen the timing chain up.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 08:43 AM
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Had to toss this in for those whining about what the owner should do etc

Ive had my x mr towed about 4 times, 3 of which just to the track cuz it was cheaper being free. Anyways moving on. EVERYTIME I've called my reputable company..they always try and tell me my car is good just for a regular tow truck. You literally have to fight them on phone to bring a damn flat bed. I wouldn't event let these bums put it on a dolly f that. the dispatcher always threatens with their "gonna have to charge you a 50$ service fee if the car doesn't require the flat bed"

Tow company's should know better, train harder..I mean it's their job all they do is tow all day long. I Blame tow company here.

So for those thinking its just as easy as a phone call..and when your in the heat of the moment things happen like this bad scenario.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 09:34 AM
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So if a little old lady broke down on the side of the road had a AWD car and the tow coming did the same thing. Its her fault. gtfo of my thread *** clown.



Still trying to figure that one. Only thought is detonation/knock. As for my build. I'm going with...

Manly Pistons
Manly I Beam rods
ARP Head/Main bolts
GSC valve springs
GSC S2 Cams
Ferrea Competition +1mm valves
PNP head (if its salvagable)

And thats about it unless the cylinder walls are ****ed then obviously ill need to get them either bored or sleeved. i got almost everything done to get the head off. Just need to find a impact gun to get the crank pulley off. Then remove a few things to loosen the timing chain up.
Are you a little old lady that knows nothing about your vehicle? Anyone with half a brain that owns an evo knows not to let anyone tow it with a dolly. You agreed to let him tow it, ultimately it's your fault.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PatricksEvilEvo
Are you a little old lady that knows nothing about your vehicle? Anyone with half a brain that owns an evo knows not to let anyone tow it with a dolly. You agreed to let him tow it, ultimately it's your fault.

umm no im not. I told the owner and the driver on the phone and then the driver again in person, it has to be off the ground. The driver insisted we move the car off the highway for safety and the car would be fine. Seeing as how i never had to get any of my cars towed in my life, i thought it would be fine just to the exit ramp. Which he missed. But by the time either of us realised that, it was to late. He is the "expert" not me, thats why i called him.

Do you go in for surgery and tell the doctor what to do? No, because he is the expert, not you.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 10:05 AM
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Where's your proof that the driveline was fine before the tow? If you really expect to win this in court, that's what you need. Your engine was blown, who's to say the driveline wasn't gone also. Believe it or not, a business has more say than some random guy in court so you need good solid evidence which I'm sure you don't have. He said she said lawsuits go nowhere.

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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PatricksEvilEvo
Where's your proof that the driveline was fine before the tow? If you really expect to win this in court, that's what you need. Your engine was blown, who's to say the driveline wasn't gone also. Believe it or not, a business has more say than some random guy in court so you need good solid evidence which I'm sure you don't have.

really, no ****? well **** why dont i hire you as my lawyer. Tell me something i dont know already.

I would think driving the car and having it running normal, shifting normal, all wheels turning normal, no odd sounds..the drivetrain was working normal. On top of that, my clutch was replaced 2 weeks prior, so the tranny and tcase just had fresh fluids put in and i did the rear did a week prior to that. And then after dragging it 20kms, the amount of smoke coming out from the tcase. Then having the dealership pull the plugs and having gunk, not oil, gunk and metal chunks come out. Its pretty obvious the tow company ****ed it up.

My lawyer already told me all this, hence why he wants any and all receipts of oil bought for the car dating back to when i bought the car. This will not only show that the oils were just changed and everything was working fine, but it shows i maintain my car and my oil change intervals are closer together due to racing. He also wants the names/contact info of the techs that worked on my car when they installed the clutch and inspection of damage.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Again word of mouth and no proof. Showing you bought new fluids a few weeks prior means nothing to this case. Don't take such offense to everything, I'm pointing out the obvious, which is what a judge will look at. The DA has to look at every angle, so you were racing it, had a leak. Then you were driving it home and it all went to sh*t, you call a tow company and blame it all on them. I have quite a bit of experience and I feel like you don't have a leg to stand on in this. Personally I think they're going to take a look and throw it out.

Regardless of anything else, it's all about who you know. If your attorney knows the da or judge and has a good name for himself, you might win. If he isn't known, I don't see you winning IMO. Good luck, I'm done here

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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 11:09 AM
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Well im going to call the dealership and get my theory tested/proven by the techs. Seems like you have the same arguement as the towing company. Which is, i caused the damage when the motor started to blow at the track. Basically saying, its all connected. However, the transmission has no damage at all. If the racing caused damage to the engine, and their theory is it would cause damage to the drivetrain...but it didnt cause damage to the transmission, then how did it cause damage to the rest of the drivetrain? Lets be real, i know these cars arent bomb proof. But a few runs at the drag strip isnt going blow the entire car.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PatricksEvilEvo
Again word of mouth and no proof. Showing you bought new fluids a few weeks prior means nothing to this case. Don't take such offense to everything, I'm pointing out the obvious, which is what a judge will look at. The DA has to look at every angle, so you were racing it, had a leak. Then you were driving it home and it all went to sh*t, you call a tow company and blame it all on them. I have quite a bit of experience and I feel like you don't have a leg to stand on in this. Personally I think they're going to take a look and throw it out.

Regardless of anything else, it's all about who you know. If your attorney knows the da or judge and has a good name for himself, you might win. If he isn't known, I don't see you winning IMO. Good luck, I'm done here
The DA? Are you serious? WTF would the DA be involved? Is this a criminal matter? Did he get a DWI as well? Unless laws are different over there a district attorney will not have anything to do with small claims court
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 12:15 PM
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I hate tow truck companies period. Can't elieve he didn't at least use dollies.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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I think you have a case based on the fact you requested a flat bed, and the drive of the tow truck was just supposed to get off the highway at the next exit.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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Ok i got quite abit done today. First i wanna start with apparently the dealership told the owner of the tow company that i damaged a axle seal on the left front when attempting to do my clutch. Which they noted in the work order but no signs of damage that i could see. So since i found out they told him that bs, with that and racing i was starting to have doubts about the law suit. So i went and double checked there work. They said "your tcase and rear diff are blown, theres nothing but gunk and metal chunks". I removed the drain plug from the rear diff, looks like brand new oil, and it should since i diff a oil diff change about a month ago (2000km). No metal shavings or shunks either. I then moved on to the transmission. Transmission looked perfect, as it should since new oil was put in with the clutch. Then i looked at the tcase. and found this....





So obviously the tcase is blown. Now what makes me happy is i know this *** clown is going to say "oh he damaged the axle seal which caused his drivetrain to blow" WRONG!! If i did damage the axle seal, which i see no signs of at all, it was on the driver side which goes to the transmission. Dealership said the tranny wasnt damaged. The damaged seal, is obviously in the tcase, with the rest of the oil all over it.

So my buddy came over with a impact gun, it took 350ftlb's to break that crank pulley loose. I couldnt locate the 4th bolt hollywood mentions in the instructions im following that he wrote for Cosworth cams. He said theres 4 bolts holding down the lower AC bracket. So we went a step further, since it will have to be done and removed the power stearing pump, altinator and ac pump. Then got the cams and everything else off. Soon as we removed the cam, the broke valve with the spring was able to come right out. I didnt have a long t-55 torx socket so work is on hold for a few days until i can get one. Heres a few more pictures.











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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 07:15 PM
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Well sounds like your in a pickle. Does it say anything in the manual that came with the car about towing? I would imagine it would say something like TOW ONLY WITH ALL WHEELS OFF GROUND...lol or something like that.

Hopefully the dealer was bull****ting you about the extent of the damage to make some money...Idk how things are there, but they do that here.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 09:53 PM
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sell the car as is for 10,000 and learn from your mistakes.
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