First off, I've finally made an account after being in and out of the forums here over the last few months just generally getting ideas for a build when the time eventually came. I bought (on loan) my Evo November of 2015 and I couldn't have been happier. It's an 08 X GSR in blue. I feel like I got a good deal on it (79,000 miles at the time, CAI, MAP exhaust manifold, full 3" test piped exhaust, stage 3 comp clutch, beefier tranny synchros, advan rims with newer potenza tires, aftermarket speakers + 5 channel alpine amp, and custom tuned on 93 all for $19,000 then, also bought a route 66 aftermarket warranty to cover the car through the duration of the loan for about $2500)but I've recently hit a patch of bad luck and 8-9k miles down the road from purchase, the turbo oil feed line cracked in half and emptied all the oil slowly over a days time. (I pulled over as soon as the oil light came on and immediately towed the car to a shop after finding the engine smoking from burning oil in the back and the dipstick practically dry.) The warranty covered that just fine except about $140 for diagnostic and fluids on my part. So I pick the car up a week later (had to wait for a dealership ordered part to arrive at the mom and pop shop I go to) and the car is cackling out the exhaust. I immediately turn around and drop it back off. I come to find out the timing chain stretched. (Oh Lord the fateful stretch) so the car spent two weeks at the shop because route 66 decided that even though they let me sign the contract with the aftermarket stuff done to the car, seeing the exhaust made them void the warranty on me. (And I had to outreach to them for an attempted refund of less than half of what I paid, and the oil tube was only about $200 on their part.) So after finding out the timing wasn't going to be covered, I got the car home and did it in the parking lot of my apartment complex on a Saturday, also changed the exhaust from a single exit straight pipe to a Spec D testpipe back dual exit for a better looking, quieter setup. I got it back together and drove it all around town all weekend and it seemed fine, until that Monday morning it just quit running. I towed it back to the shop and the mechanic thought I might have screwed the timing up, but we found out that I hadn't, at some point I'd bent a valve and it decided life wasn't worth living and dove straight through the piston.. (Well it rattled around a bit and tore the head off the spark plug first..) any who, all of this has lead to me stretching finances a little bit to get the engine built. (Why waste money on an OEM build when I planned on a build build a few year later, right?) So now, me being in Illinois, I made the decision to trailer the car to a shop in Florida for a grand total of just under $7000 (after trailer down, but before me picking it up as it just got there friday) I'm getting hardened pistons/rods, stainless valves, GNC cams either 264 or 272 (probably 272) and springs/retainers to match, along with a mild port job on the exhaust side. Since I'm getting this done now, I don't see a reason at waiting too much longer to buy the rest of what I need to put the car up to 500-600whp. Question is, is there a turbocharger out there, that I can match with the 272 cams, that would get me close to that WHP area with a good midrange still? And what sized injectors? Also, I'd prefer to have the car tuned on 93. Any advice, opinions, or anything is welcome. I'm not dedicated to a solid 500-600whp, but close would be lovely. I just don't want to have to wait forever for the power to kick in.

 

7163 EFR turbo kit from CBRD would be your best route or MHI 18k with the cam.


Also why would you trailer it to Florida? AMS and BOOSTIN is in Illinois?

 

Hey, thanks for the lead. The EFR kit looks good. Haven't found the time to look up the MHI yet, though. And it currently has a blown motor. And the shop it's at quoted me mid $6000 to trailer it there, do forged pistons/rods, and do the beadwork with the upgraded valves, springs, cams. I'd seen people on the forums that had paid $6000 just for a shortblock build so I figured it was a good deal. Plus the shop mainly focuses on Evos and Neon SRT-4s. The shop owner seemed to know exactly what he was talking about over the phone, so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on doing it with them.

 

The CBRD 7163 kit is great, but if you're looking for 500-600whp then you need to be looking bigger than a 7163 or 18K, even with cams.


The EFR 8374 would be a great turbo for what it sounds like your goals are.

Just curious, what shop are you going to? I'd be wary of where you go for a built engine, saving a few bucks might give you a lot of headaches in the future.

 

Where are you in IL? I'm in RFD and I've used both Boostin and AMS and happy to give some feedback. I also have an 18k with all supports and tuning from Boostin.

As others have mentioned, I would be very very cautious of having the work done out of state. You need to develop a relationship with your tuner. It is never a once and done affair. Even if things go well in FL, eventually you may need support. You will be forced to bring it back to FL (unlikely) or have a local tuner try and figure out what was done in FL which is also not ideal.

Is this shop doing the build and the tune? Which shop? That cost seems 'too good to be true' low to me for a built block, headwork, tuning, and a cross country trailer two ways. Just the fuel system could cost you $1k for injectors, double pumper, and installation. Does this include the turbo? That is $2-$5k depending on stock replacement or full kit.

As the old adage goes - cheap, reliable, fast - you only get to pick too. If you go for cheap and fast, reliability could be out. As mentioned, if that is the case, you'll be stuck negotiating with someone out of state.

Send me a PM with number if you want to chat.

 

I'll look into the EFR 8374. But I'm not dead set on reaching the 500-600 range. The 18k with the cams is more so looking like my route as it'd spool mid-low 4k (hopefully) with the cams and should* hit high 400s at the wheels. I'm also going to be able to run fuel cutout to 8.5 maybe 9k rpm. Shop is Automodz on the west coast in Florida. And the cost is for just the engine build. No tuning. The turbo purchase +tune is a couple months away.

 

I'm in Rock Island County. Literally touching Iowa. What are your numbers on the 18k? And do you have cams with it? The shop is just doing an engine build. The Turbo and fuel system is on me a couple months from now, and I'll be installing that stuff. The shipping cross country is one way, I'll be renting a car and driving down there to pick it up when it's done. I planned on doing the tune somewhere closer, but that's not a worry until I get the turbo. The car shipping was 675, the engine build (just the shortblock with forged goodies) is 4700 but includes labor for complete disassembly of the long block for honing. So I added about 12-1300 to the head with the cams, stainless valves, springs/retainers, and a mild port of the exhaust side of the head. There's a 500 fee for pulling the motor and putting it back in, all in all, I'm right at about 7k I guess. But I figured for 1175 it ensures that the car can be driven away from the shop vs whatever the cost of crateing the engine after I'd pull it, and me having the hassle of having to pull a motor for the first time in my life.. I know it's halfway across the country, but it seemed easier? Plus I can take a few days for a road trip to Florida.

 

What gas will you be running? You won't see close to 500whp on pump gas with the 18K. It's a 54 lb/min turbo. It'll have great response, but the flow just isn't there to support huge numbers.


Looks like Automodz is pretty reputable, though I'd stick with AMS myself...one of the best engine builders in the game for the X.

 

Just a broad reference, here's an MHI 18K on E85 tuned at Boostin. 415 WHP.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...d-boostin.html


A built 2.0 isn't going to increase the horsepower figures significantly, the turbo is just too small.

 

I'll be running 93. There is e85 around as I've heard a couple people around me run it in flex fuel cars (not a big tuning area) , but I've never seen it, as I've also never had to look for it. But I can find 93 at almost every 3rd corner and that's all I put in it now. And I'd thought I found a dyno graph of a mostly stock evo running the 18k and they hit about 430 whp. I figure with the cams and full bolt ons + test piped I could nail 450+ which is plenty close enough. I've not gotten power hungry yet. ;D

 

OP - that's my dyno in the link above. 415 whp on Boostin's low reading mustang dyno or about 480 on a dynojet. That is running E85. No cams as the cost to install/tune vs. the gains weren't that great on a stock block/stock frame turbo. If you are tearing it apart then you might as well.

Are there any concerns about building the motor and reassembling without tuning and then driving it 1300 miles home for a break in? When are you shipping it there. Either way, best of luck.

I have a quote from Boostin on a full stage 3 build that I may do this winter/next fall when I put my car into winter storage.

 

Lmao I didn't even notice it was your thread

OP, link that thread it's got me curious. The 18K is a great turbo, but the fact is it just isn't very big. You think you'll be happy with 450...but trust me, you'll want to give yourself some room to grow and the 18K won't do that.