IX vs X-5MT vs X-SST Results
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http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...26542&mime=ASC
i dont see it here
i dont see it here
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billyblonco is right.
How man people do you know who want to spend $40,000 on a car are going to look at a Mitsubishi over a BMW, Audi, Acura, Infiniti, Lexus. . .etc.? The car maybe "sporty" and a little bit more fun to drive but there is no way that is going to be enough to pick the X over the offerings from the brands I mentioned, especially in this country! And for god's sake heated seats are definitely not going to be the X-factor.
Mitsu is going to price themselves out of the demographic who they are trying to appeal to and who is a carry over. I know this because I am one of them. I was all set to get this car until I steadily realized where Mitsu is probably going to go with the price. Combine that with the old Evo's reputation with insurance companies (which in all likelihood will carry over to the new at least for the first year). . .count me out by a long shot.
How man people do you know who want to spend $40,000 on a car are going to look at a Mitsubishi over a BMW, Audi, Acura, Infiniti, Lexus. . .etc.? The car maybe "sporty" and a little bit more fun to drive but there is no way that is going to be enough to pick the X over the offerings from the brands I mentioned, especially in this country! And for god's sake heated seats are definitely not going to be the X-factor.
Mitsu is going to price themselves out of the demographic who they are trying to appeal to and who is a carry over. I know this because I am one of them. I was all set to get this car until I steadily realized where Mitsu is probably going to go with the price. Combine that with the old Evo's reputation with insurance companies (which in all likelihood will carry over to the new at least for the first year). . .count me out by a long shot.
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Doesnt list the leather seats either but you can clearly see them in the MR pics vs. the GSR here:
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"The new Recaro seats ensure support during sporty driving and are also compatible with side airbags. All-new Recaro seats incorporate the first side airbags in a Lancer Evolution model. The seats themselves are designed to enhance comfort and their ability to keep the driver and front passenger from sliding around during cornering maneuvers. The seat sides are leather, and double stitching highlights the quality look and feel."
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I can only find official "heated seats" references for the Canadian version. I'd be surprised if the X won't have them in the US but who knows? Screwed again 
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973
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I can only find official "heated seats" references for the Canadian version. I'd be surprised if the X won't have them in the US but who knows? Screwed again
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973
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Ebisu Circuit:
IX-GSR
23.054
X-5MT
22.476 (ASC OFF AYC OFF?)
22.142 (ASC OFF AYC ON?)
23.303 (ASC ON)
IX-GSR
23.054
X-5MT
22.476 (ASC OFF AYC OFF?)
22.142 (ASC OFF AYC ON?)
23.303 (ASC ON)
secondly, AYC cannot be turned off. i think that other setting is "braking force control" of the AYC that can be turned off by holding the ASC OFF button for 3 secs. from what i gather, this is essentially "traction control" where as the regular ASC is "stability control" if anybody knows for certain please chime in here, i just tried to match up japanese characters from all over the place from the BMI video to the leaked brochures to the japanese press releases. holy schitt won't try that again...
source: http://www.autospectator.com/cars/mi...eel-control-su
they did another run with ASC OFF and AYC braking ON but it think this was with the GRAVEL setting as it did 22.774
so if these settings are indeed true, then we have the X with ASC OFF/AYC BRAKING ON/TARMAC on top, then comes ASC OFF/AYC BRAKING OFF/TARMAC, then ASC OFF/AYC BRAKING ON/GRAVEL?, then the IX, then ASC ON...
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^Oh okay, I was wondering what those characters meant exactly. 
And yes, the IX is faster in the straights for sure, but as we see on one of Ebisu's circuits the X is faster in the turns.
I'd personally pick the better handling car from the factory as power is much easier to improve upon (and for less money).
I think people are getting a bit carried away with their gloom and doom prophecies about the X. I view it as a much better overall car than before and so far it's only deficit being straight-line acceleration, can be easily amended with some tuning.
And yes, the IX is faster in the straights for sure, but as we see on one of Ebisu's circuits the X is faster in the turns.
I'd personally pick the better handling car from the factory as power is much easier to improve upon (and for less money).
I think people are getting a bit carried away with their gloom and doom prophecies about the X. I view it as a much better overall car than before and so far it's only deficit being straight-line acceleration, can be easily amended with some tuning.
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OK, I watched the video. Disappointed to be sure, but I have to say the SST X driver did not drive the car to its strengths. A clutchless car *has* to be left foot braked to get the maximum potential out of it, *especially* on a twisty circuit. LFB helps a lot not only with brake-gas transition time and smoothness but with weight transfer. Heck, even the other guy (can't remember which car - the one with the blue driving shoes) was LFBing in his manual car.
Personally, I'd say this video represents 70% car (which is intrinsically slower, regrettably), but also 30% driver. Get the same (good) driver, one confident with LFB to take each car out in a timed qualifying style lap (what they call "Time attack" for some weird reason), and then we'll see if the differences are that glaring.
Personally, I'd say this video represents 70% car (which is intrinsically slower, regrettably), but also 30% driver. Get the same (good) driver, one confident with LFB to take each car out in a timed qualifying style lap (what they call "Time attack" for some weird reason), and then we'll see if the differences are that glaring.
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Despite this, the car will still sell well. To the general public it has improved looks, more comfy features, AWD, and is really sporty.
Look at Honda and Toyota...they are doing well not by focusing on a small group of car enthusiasts, but the to broad American public. This is a good financial move for Mitsu to go mainstream with its "sports car."
Look at Honda and Toyota...they are doing well not by focusing on a small group of car enthusiasts, but the to broad American public. This is a good financial move for Mitsu to go mainstream with its "sports car."
as far as that video...wow!...who said the x was faster on a track?...the ix had it's way with both of them...even the old subaru beat the x....x may be better in the turns but a track isn't all turns...there are straight sections too.....lol....still not a bad car but definately slower
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^Oh okay, I was wondering what those characters meant exactly.
And yes, the IX is faster in the straights for sure, but as we see on one of Ebisu's circuits the X is faster in the turns.
I'd personally pick the better handling car from the factory as power is much easier to improve upon (and for less money).
I think people are getting a bit carried away with their gloom and doom prophecies about the X. I view it as a much better overall car than before and so far it's only deficit being straight-line acceleration, can be easily amended with some tuning.
And yes, the IX is faster in the straights for sure, but as we see on one of Ebisu's circuits the X is faster in the turns.
I'd personally pick the better handling car from the factory as power is much easier to improve upon (and for less money).
I think people are getting a bit carried away with their gloom and doom prophecies about the X. I view it as a much better overall car than before and so far it's only deficit being straight-line acceleration, can be easily amended with some tuning.
Exactly. Especially when you consider how similiar in looks this car is to the regular lancer.
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I know you like to cling to the sinking ship, but IMHO your assessment here is now bordering on delusional. Do you REALLY think the X engine is going to be easier to mod than an IX? Don't you think there is a reason why the rev limiter on the X is set below 8K? How are you going to make power with that sort of rev limit if you have a bigger turbo, which is the usual way to make the 4G63 pump out big numbers?
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this is from a poster on one of the other evo enthusiast boards, and he's right
Why are people crying about Mitsu needing to go "back to [their] roots"? Have you read the reviews from Car and Driver and all of the major magazines distributed in the U.S. They praise the new X both aesthetically and performance wise. Besides, the majority of people who have Evo's now dont even really track their car anyways. Most Evo owners struggle making payments and the turnover on these cars are pretty short, just look at our classifieds and check out inventories at major dealers.
Also, why would Mitsubishi want to keep selling to the same market and not expand? That just sounds plain stupid. They are trying to attract older drivers as well who want a quick car with all the extra amenities like navigation and multiple air bags. The car is still a beast and in my opinion a more refined drive. Yes, I loved every second driving my Evo VIII, and the X has been said not to have as much of a thrill, but as a daily driver for most of drivers on this site the X dominates. From what I understand you have all the bang you had in the previous generations with the finesse and comfort when you are driving in traffic.
And those of you who complained about weight. If you really cared that much about weight you would have bought the RS. THE REAL EVO, not your GSR or MR. Anyway, you guys can keep whining about Mitsu losing sight, but what they are doing is actually right and the product is great.
Also, why would Mitsubishi want to keep selling to the same market and not expand? That just sounds plain stupid. They are trying to attract older drivers as well who want a quick car with all the extra amenities like navigation and multiple air bags. The car is still a beast and in my opinion a more refined drive. Yes, I loved every second driving my Evo VIII, and the X has been said not to have as much of a thrill, but as a daily driver for most of drivers on this site the X dominates. From what I understand you have all the bang you had in the previous generations with the finesse and comfort when you are driving in traffic.
And those of you who complained about weight. If you really cared that much about weight you would have bought the RS. THE REAL EVO, not your GSR or MR. Anyway, you guys can keep whining about Mitsu losing sight, but what they are doing is actually right and the product is great.