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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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You can get in plenty of trouble in any car it just depends on how you drive.
Actually, to be realistic, I think the AWD, big grippy tires, 4 wheel discs and stability control gizmos of a Ralliart or Evo might keep me OUT of trouble. I can think of a number of times I've been close to really ****ing up when I'm driving hard just because I ran outta grip.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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I am looking to get into this car as cheap as possble. I will order it with as few options as I can. The SST just intrigues the hell out of me. My next car will have a dual clutch based transmission, period.
I would wait till the transmission gets put through it's paces, based on the info in the evom review, it seems as though the traditional 5-speed is the way to go if you plan on modding at all.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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I would wait till the transmission gets put through it's paces, based on the info in the evom review, it seems as though the traditional 5-speed is the way to go if you plan on modding at all.
I'm sorry but there's nothing anyone could say or do to convince me that my next car should have a clutch pedal. I have spent countless hours researching and understanding why dsg is the future and one day will be the standard. Stock power, this thing should be invincible. Modded, only time will tell.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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http://www.mitsubishicars.com/media/...r_Ralliart.pdf

4wd w/ ACD, no AYC ect..

Eitherway, it's a good entry level evo for the most part?? I sort of see this as a way to get rid of the stock turbos on the X's when you get a new turbokit. Sell it to the RA guys? Its really not a bad looking car, just a shame they skimped on the AWD.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rising sun
I'm sorry but there's nothing anyone could say or do to convince me that my next car should have a clutch pedal. I have spent countless hours researching and understanding why dsg is the future and one day will be the standard. Stock power, this thing should be invincible. Modded, only time will tell.
I wouldn't discount a regular manual transmission just yet. I'm sure when the automatic tranny just came out, people were saying it was the way of the future, which it clearly wasn't. People said the same about the CVT tranny and it's far from perfect. I tend to be wary of new technology and I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the first people to test it out/contribute to a company's testing.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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Can you find one bit of evidence showing the cvt transmission was ever designed or intended to be a performance upgrade to the automatic transmission?

Compairing a performance oriented dsg style gearbox to a cvt is laughable at best. Whether or not you agree with me about this being the future, it's hard to imagine a transmission could ever get better than this. Just my 2 cents.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I'm sure when the automatic tranny just came out, people were saying it was the way of the future, which it clearly wasn't.
Clearly. Not a whole lot of automatic transmissions have ever been sold, have they?
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:22 AM
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Some autos can shift faster than any human ever could. If it proves itself sturdy (which is the current problem facing some autos) it could be a serious competitor. Id take a manual-control automatic transmission anyday (assuming it wouldnt explode)
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:29 AM
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What they have in common is that the both are ugly. lol. Jk.

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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tvwj
the Ra is n/a fwd.
You must know something that Mitsu doesn't.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:35 AM
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Why wouldn't the CVT handle upgraded power? How much power should it handle? 500hp? How many RA buyers are you guys thinking modding their car for that kind of hp's?
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:50 AM
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I wouldnt be suprised if the new RA catches on. Its sort of like the WRX is to subaru. Theres bound to be a few big-hp players. I dont think its the ability, I think that the problem will occur when people drive it like it's a cast iron dogbox tranmission.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rising sun
Can you find one bit of evidence showing the cvt transmission was ever designed or intended to be a performance upgrade to the automatic transmission?

Compairing a performance oriented dsg style gearbox to a cvt is laughable at best. Whether or not you agree with me about this being the future, it's hard to imagine a transmission could ever get better than this. Just my 2 cents.
Have you ever watched a Mitsubishi lancer commercial? They clearly market the new transmission as being fun and sporty yet in all the tests it loses to a manual. I'm not saying the SST transmission isn't good but it's hardly the way of the future yet. I know I would never buy a sports car with anything other than a true manual.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Donitsi
Why wouldn't the CVT handle upgraded power? How much power should it handle? 500hp? How many RA buyers are you guys thinking modding their car for that kind of hp's?
The ralliart doesn't use a CVT transmission, it uses a dual-clutch transmission. The big problem with a CVT is if something goes wrong, you have to replace the whole tranny. If you read the Evo X review on the front page, you'll notice that they recommend the traditional manual for those who mod their cars. I'll ask this general question, what happens to an SST transmission if the clutch isn't up to snuff for the power level? Will it simply slip or will the car try it's damndest to make it work thus transferring the stress to the transmission?
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Have you ever watched a Mitsubishi lancer commercial? They clearly market the new transmission as being fun and sporty yet in all the tests it loses to a manual. I'm not saying the SST transmission isn't good but it's hardly the way of the future yet. I know I would never buy a sports car with anything other than a true manual.
Have YOU ever watched a Lancer commercial? The commercials you're referencing are marketing a CVT. The Ralliart doesn't have a CVT.
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