Anyone else notice this...
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...and what do you think?
On the MR you can manually shift via the paddles, or the stick......however, I just realized that when shifting manually w/ the stick, you have to pull the stick back to upshift, and push it forward to downshift.
This seems *** backwards to me. Logically, pushing forward seems like it should be the upshift. I'm sure I'll get used to it (failing that, I'll just use the paddles).......but does anyone else have an opinion on this? Is there a legitimate reason for doing it this way that I'm not thinking of?
KiL
PS- I did search but didn't find anything (I'm always terrible with using the search feature effectively).....so apologies if this has been addressed.
On the MR you can manually shift via the paddles, or the stick......however, I just realized that when shifting manually w/ the stick, you have to pull the stick back to upshift, and push it forward to downshift.
This seems *** backwards to me. Logically, pushing forward seems like it should be the upshift. I'm sure I'll get used to it (failing that, I'll just use the paddles).......but does anyone else have an opinion on this? Is there a legitimate reason for doing it this way that I'm not thinking of?
KiL
PS- I did search but didn't find anything (I'm always terrible with using the search feature effectively).....so apologies if this has been addressed.
lol not enough hp to effect ur shifting
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Of course when I drive my Cayman the ignition is on the left side so that throws me off every now and then when I drive any other car
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I work at a Cadillac dealership, and they're all up for up, down for down. I (no admission of guilt here 
) may or may not have downshifted a few times trying to upshift when I was ragging on a Cadillac STS this summer. I think up for down, down for up makes more sense, but I couldn't place exactly why.
) may or may not have downshifted a few times trying to upshift when I was ragging on a Cadillac STS this summer. I think up for down, down for up makes more sense, but I couldn't place exactly why.
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As for the idea that it's set up that way due to the forces of acceleration and deceleration, I don't know that I buy it.....or agree with the logic. I mean honestly, if you stomp the gas and the effort to move the stick forward to upshift is too much for you because of the acceleration forces.....you may have some type of medical problem that is causing dramatic weakness (or you don't visit Palmela Handerson enough ).
KiL
PS- The only experience I have w/ a manual transmission is my dirtbike.....where kicking the pedal up shifts up, kicking it down shifts down......and I kind of equate up to forward, down to backward....as going up and down seems to me like a similar motion to going forward and backward (respectively).
).KiL
PS- The only experience I have w/ a manual transmission is my dirtbike.....where kicking the pedal up shifts up, kicking it down shifts down......and I kind of equate up to forward, down to backward....as going up and down seems to me like a similar motion to going forward and backward (respectively).
another reason may be that you want upshifts to be as fast as possible to out accelerate your competition. in that case pulling back on the stick is the more natural motion. downshifting is done when you're slowing down anyways so no need for that motion to be optimized.
as for motorcycles, the race shift pattern is reversed for the same reasons. pressing down on the shifter is a more natural motion and optimizes speedy shifts. also another thing people like about race shift pattern on a bike is that you can more easily upshift mid-corner if needed when you're leaned over in a sweeping bend.
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when accelerating, the weight of the car shifts to the back, and when braking the weight of the car shifts to the front, that is why it is "opposite" to what is normally done with other autos...to me it feels more natural (the way the tc sst lever is)
i believe that the SMG in the bmw m3 is the same way
for anyone familiar with the Initial D arcade game, it is the same, down for upshifts, up for downshifts
i believe that the SMG in the bmw m3 is the same way
for anyone familiar with the Initial D arcade game, it is the same, down for upshifts, up for downshifts
Last edited by EzeE1o; Feb 15, 2008 at 12:18 AM.
LOOK the difference is serious hard-core sequential gearboxes used in racing upshift when pulling back and vice-versa, while sport-inspired street boxes are the opposite...they know REAL performance cars accelerate and decelerate hard enough to matter...
THINK of it this way...you would get tired after 20 minutes of a track session if you were pulling back under braking while being pulled hard and held in just by the seatbelt...and if you are being pushed into your seat by massive horsepower isn't it easier to pull back to keep accelerating instead of fighting against it? the car pulls 1 g in a corner all day, so you are already dealing with that anyway...why add more work for no reason? just think like you are flying an aircraft...pull back to go/shift up, push forward to go/shift down...simple...
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