Vishnu Package?
Horsepower is horsepower, who cares how it’s made? Some go the route of lots-of-shiny hardware. Some like a ECU flash. Others like a unobtrusive little black box. If you spend lots of dough for many pieces your are not going to get all of it back when you put your car back to stock. If you do a ECU flash and / or custom tune you will never see that money again. So, why do you expect something back for your used Xede or PROCeed? Loyalty to any vendor is overrated IMHO, it’s my hard earned cash and I will only buy the most bang for my buck, with the expectation that I will not see that money again.
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Horsepower is horsepower, who cares how it’s made? Some go the route of lots-of-shiny hardware. Some like a ECU flash. Others like a unobtrusive little black box. If you spend lots of dough for many pieces your are not going to get all of it back when you put your car back to stock. If you do a ECU flash and / or custom tune you will never see that money again. So, why do you expect something back for your used Xede or PROCeed? Loyalty to any vendor is overrated IMHO, it’s my hard earned cash and I will only buy the most bang for my buck, with the expectation that I will not see that money again.
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Some people can be permanently satisfied with 75whp from a Vishnu tune and may not care if one that adds five more hp comes out later. There is a limit to all this. It is better to set a goal rather than be a power hungry beast. I have a goal of 300-350whp...a Vishnu chip and a few bolt ons I believe will get me there. Than all the better tunes in the world can come out, I won't care, I will be enjoying my car. In the state it is in right now it is way to restrictive and it runs like poo up top specially on the highway. The dyno time and all the ECU programming doesn't sound as appealing as a 15 minute install and a 75whp gain. best thing about the piggy back is it comes out as easily as it went in.
Last edited by Evo_Jay; Apr 7, 2008 at 04:07 AM. Reason: spelling
Herein lies the paradox. The Procede will make great power and it will be the first to the market, Ecutek notwithstanding. X owners will most likely not want to pay the license fee, and the Procede being the only other option, impatient owners will flock to it. Shiv, Dustin, et al will post multiple dyno's and make an appearance on the forums and uninformed X owners will commence nutswinging and rah-rah-ing the praise of Vishnu. At the same time, Shiv will deride the other platform's capabilities (he is one of the most knowledgeable EFI tuners, despite his business skills) and it will most likely be true. He will make his money off those who can't wait, although this time it will be challenging because he still has to finish developing the 335 and 135 Procede applications simultaneously. To wit, he has never had this many support applications available at once; not to mention the debut of the GTR on the next horizon.
I predict the Evo X Procede will never get fully developed. The BMW market is a much larger and more lucrative market, and I don't see him being able to sacrifice that lamb. The GTR will be limited numbers, and he will charge a much larger premium based on MSRP, and might not have to compete with Ecutek as quickly. I figure $995>$1295>$1795 (Evo, BMW, GTR, respectively).
That being said, I'm sure those that are early adopters (most gearheads) will pony up the money, make great power, then jump ship when the next better and cheaper thing comes along (read: Ecuflash, or will it be CANflash?). By the time they start complaining about the residual value of Evo Procede's Shiv will have already moved on to who knows what platform.
But what do I know, I'm just making educated guesses...
I predict the Evo X Procede will never get fully developed. The BMW market is a much larger and more lucrative market, and I don't see him being able to sacrifice that lamb. The GTR will be limited numbers, and he will charge a much larger premium based on MSRP, and might not have to compete with Ecutek as quickly. I figure $995>$1295>$1795 (Evo, BMW, GTR, respectively).
That being said, I'm sure those that are early adopters (most gearheads) will pony up the money, make great power, then jump ship when the next better and cheaper thing comes along (read: Ecuflash, or will it be CANflash?). By the time they start complaining about the residual value of Evo Procede's Shiv will have already moved on to who knows what platform.
But what do I know, I'm just making educated guesses...
Shiv is just exploiting the market with half assed products until some other companies crack the ECU and he will drop all support and leave everyone with their Procede or whatever cede hanging in the wind.
Please Evo X owners learn from the mistakes made by the VIII owners. Shiv does this with the new cars. He jumps out there with some piggy back well ahead of other competitors and makes an assload of cash and then drops all support and moves on to another car. Go with a company that will provide continued support for your products.
Please Evo X owners learn from the mistakes made by the VIII owners. Shiv does this with the new cars. He jumps out there with some piggy back well ahead of other competitors and makes an assload of cash and then drops all support and moves on to another car. Go with a company that will provide continued support for your products.
Horsepower is horsepower, who cares how it’s made? Some go the route of lots-of-shiny hardware. Some like a ECU flash. Others like a unobtrusive little black box. If you spend lots of dough for many pieces your are not going to get all of it back when you put your car back to stock. If you do a ECU flash and / or custom tune you will never see that money again. So, why do you expect something back for your used Xede or PROCeed? Loyalty to any vendor is overrated IMHO, it’s my hard earned cash and I will only buy the most bang for my buck, with the expectation that I will not see that money again.
The reason...theres no support. and maybe ECUFlash ; )
There are a couple of advantages the PROcede has over the XEDE. The XEDE was a lot older and there are different versions of it that work on different cars. There is only one version of PROcede. So if you have a Mazdaspeed 3 PROcede and trade that car in on an Evo, you can move the unit to the new car, all you need is a harness. If you trade your Mazda or Evo in on a BMW 135i, 335i, 535i, you can still use the same PROcede. It just needs a different harness and a free firmware update. IMO, that's pretty slick.
People complaining about the limp mode thing is getting old to me. The limp mode happened on the BMW N54 engines way up top where the throttle plate closes. It was basically an overboost code. They have since corrected that issue on the BMW. Since the Evo isn't direct injection, it doesn't have a throttle plate that closes at high RPM either. All that to say, BMW problems are not Evo problems. I've read there are beta cars out west running the PROcede on the Evo X with good results.
People complaining about the limp mode thing is getting old to me. The limp mode happened on the BMW N54 engines way up top where the throttle plate closes. It was basically an overboost code. They have since corrected that issue on the BMW. Since the Evo isn't direct injection, it doesn't have a throttle plate that closes at high RPM either. All that to say, BMW problems are not Evo problems. I've read there are beta cars out west running the PROcede on the Evo X with good results.