I think of LOLCats when ever I read a post written like this.

Keith

 

i dont see how most of you..who havent done a lot of research on the RA can say certain things...before i got my evo i was planning to get an RA but for other reasons i went ahead with the X..but being on topic and its been stated before that the RA is a DETUNED evo X...theres no way you can say that its closer to a lancer with no turbo,no AWD,weaker internals, and a CVT, than comparing it to A lancer With AWD,Turbo,EXACT same 4b11T, Also turbo just smaller, and the SAME SST from the MR. not even close to a base lancer. you cant compare STis and WRXs to lancers and Evo Xs 4 totally diff cars.. typical evo owners hate to be compared to anything lower but the truth is that the RA is more an EVO than it is a regular lancer. sure it will never be an evo but the potential of the car..and what it can handle is along the same lines of the evo.. sure mitsu isnt going to call it a detuned evo but every review and preview you read about the RA will refer it as a "detuned evo"

like i said it will never be an evo but you have to be in denial if you think the car is closer to a lancer than it is an evo

 

So from everything I'm reading...having AWD, Turbo, and SST makes it a detuned EVO? Wow! All of a sudden it's a detuned Evo? Let me see what makes a regular Lancer NOT a Evo...

suspension components (aluminum arms, different strut/spring setup)
Brembo brakes
wide body aluminum fenders
Aluminum roof
Evo high spoiler
relocated wiper fluid and battery
no Recaros standard
completely different turbo setup(single vs. dual scroll)
no sport mode in auto tranny
no 18x8.5 wheels
etc...etc...

So far a lot of what's listed isn't on the Ralliart either.

There are a lot differences that go far behind what you see on the surface. So no, I don't think the Ralliart is a detuned Evo. If it was, why would I spend a little bit more money on a Evo versus saving money and getting a "detuned Evo"? Try to throw everything I've mentioned so far onto the Ralliart.

Get it equal to the Evo in every aspect so you can finally get rid of that "detuned Evo" title. How much have you spent? And guess what it's still not comparable to the Evo. Power wise, maybe...but every other factor that makes a Evo a Evo...I think not. Now I could go the reverse and make a Ralliart a Lancer real quick. Try that with a Evo. You still have the aluminum roof, fenders, brembos, battery/washer fluid in the trunk, wide wheel wells for gigantic tire contact patch, blah blah blah. Point is...the Ralliart is closer to the regular Lancer. AWD and turbo is a small part of what makes a Evo an Evo.

 

Totally agreed with you.

shyong: what makes you think your list of missing Evo X parts are bigger/expensive than the list of difference between a GTS & RA.

 

just because the gap is bigger now between the RA and a regular Lancer, that doesn't mean you scratching the Evo territory. That is a truth. You will learn it a a easy way or you will in the hard way , when actually you think you close and then you will have some disappointing road race event against the less modified Evo's. The RA is a Great DD . Not a race carlike the Evo. And that is a Major difference. Even though for some doesn't sounds like it.
Just like the M3 and the 335i coupe. The 335i coupe guys dont think they are close to the M3 ..even thought is almost a same speed in straight. They know better. They dont say i have a detuned M3

Now back to the subject:


"Despite having so much in common with the Evolution, the Mitsubishi staff pressed the point that the Ralliart should be viewed more as a “specced up Lancer,” than a “de-tuned Evo”
http://www.nextautos.com/we-drive-20...ancer-ralliart

-the SST have a different gearing and loosing one option. So it is NOT a same as a EVo version. Period. that is not just detuned
-Detuned ECU ,
-Less AWD system by far! No S-AYC. that is not just detuned
-Smaller turbo -single scroll , that is not just detuned
-Smaller IC pipes and ic core, that is not just detuned
-Smaller breaks .not even a detuned break system/no brembos/ that is not just detuned
- numb steering and wider ratio, so it is not detuned steering system then evo that is not just detuned
- looser suspension and higher sitting , not even a detuned supension from the evo... fact is the same as the GTS lancer
-multi link rear is a lancer, not even a forged Evo one that is not just detuned
-intake system is different , flow less then the evo , that is not just detuned
- less reinforcment in the body ,
-no aluminium roof an d other body componenets so it is a Lancer body
-not as wide wheel base , not even Evo wheel base/lancer specs/ that is not just detuned
- the tires and the wheels are narrower
it is 165 lbs lighter then MR not the GSR ... keep it in mind that one too.
ETC .
anyway. i saw the RA i now how it looks we talk about it, but i didn't drove it. I have not intention for test drive on RT17, around 5 o'clock
It is away better then a Lancer no doubt, but not even near to the Evo, power handling breaking. Period.
It is a great mid way between the lancer and the evo. Just like the WRX is between the impreza and the STI. Those guys know already the WRX is NOT a detuned STI... But certanly they had a same debate back then
Seems to me they road have to be walk again in the Lancer world.

I'm not bashing the RA by any means. But being realistic, is might to be a better option, then believing something is not true. And you might better off to spend $6k more to get the Evo then buy the RA, if you want to race.
For strictly DD i would pick the RA too. And try to help for those who actually new in the Evo world and they want to get into it, cheaper.

By the way the RA next to the Evo, has more obvious differences then i actually thought .

Now i know the fog light not interchangeable.

And seems to me " typical evo owners hate to be compared to anything lower but the truth is that the RA is more an EVO than it is a regular lancer. " other way around with the RA owners. They dont want to get the truth. Just because its sounds better , is not necessary true.
I dont mind if you compere it to the Evo, but i know what is the Evo and what is not the RA. Obviously you don't.

Rob

 

i think your missing the point. the body wheelbase roofs ect dosent make the car detuned or not that should have been left out the fact is you have a car with the EXACT same motor..everything...is the exact same under the hood of this car...with an evo..every single thing except for intake...and intercooler piping. there are no major parts missing in the RA between the evo performance wise its obvious the AWD is different or else the typical X owners would cry even more. the SST loses one option but its still going to take the same amount of power that the MR takes truth of the matter. so let me take your list and sum it down to the differences that really matter


-the SST have a different gearing and loosing one option. So it is NOT a same as
-Detuned ECU ,
-Less AWD system by far! No S-AYC. that is not just detuned - not that big of a deal if cobalts are beating us around the track
-Smaller turbo -single scroll , that is not just detuned
-Smaller IC pipes and ic core, that is not just detuned

those would be the only things that would really matter speaking of it being "detuned" now how many of those things can be swapped out and fit perfectly in an evo.? im gonna leave the SST out because ive already coverd that its capabilities are just as the evos just missing an option. other than that 3/4 of those things can be easily swapped out and put in an evo..the word detuned is being used more out of context mabye we shouldnt use that word..

also some take as if im trying to call the car an evo..which im not..saying that if you did take an evo and change the turbo,AWD,piping Ecu,minor body you would be talking about an evo.

 

cobalt is faster because the straight aways not because the turns...

under the hood is not exact a same everything... not even a BOV valve , which is plastic in the RA. And the list goes on.
The SST has a different gearing too. :0
so lets put it back for the list not to mention less option for the RA and less factory hp and tq there for different tranny computer map too.
If you think the S-AYC is not a big of the deal , then obviously you dont have a back ground and experienc to compere the S-AYC vs non S-ayc handling.

 

so what is simular to the Evo?
The 4B11t- SST- and the IX AWD system.

Everything else is the Lancer .
Now even those 3 things are not even close to the evo. 4B11T is restricted with many bolt ons. And the biggest drov back is the single scroll, small turbo.
the SST have a different gearing and map.
The AWD is not a X awd system.

So what is exactly a same as the Evo? ONLY the 4B11T internals. The Hood, trunk. small wing /no lip thought/

What is the Exactly a same as the Lancer? Way more then that. And you know it.
Like suspension/GTS/, etc.
You really can't find anything performance wise ,exactly same as a evo.


By the way what is really meaning for you is a detuned ?

 

Why hasn't a moderator closed this thread? This is just a pissing match between guys who live in a world we call reality and guys who have to defend the Evo for some unknown reason.

 

defend against what?
There is a difference between comparison and defending... As far as i know.

 

Maybe the RA has a few redeeming qualities, but people will vote with their money so we'll see what sells the best.

 

if everything is not the same..why will 90% of the performance upgrades for the RA be interchangeable. yeah the SYAC is good....but not nothing the world hasnt seen. keep in mind i have a lancer GTS also and i know its a big diff..i havent drove a RA yet but i dont think it'll be like night and day..i came from a supra and and i wasnt blown away from the AYC but thats a whole nother topic

to rest my case on this thread, everyone you can have your own opinions on what you think..some diff than others but my opinion isnt gonna be between anyone buying an X or RA









from the bay its obvious how similar one another are even though all are 4B11s

 

it is really interesting ,if you coming from the supra and you didn't blown away from the S-AYC...
You must be living in the straight away country

thanks for the pix. so you can see even the engine set up is a same as the lancer , like the battery , intake placing , etc.

 

I have no clue on how you put your logic together on this one


but anyways it is a detuned evo, sorry to break that news to you


AND all car manufacturers ARE that stupid...ckeck out Ford and their crappy GT-40...its pretty much a mustang

 

Unless you have done some SERIOUS hard core track driving, you have never experianced AYC any more than a supra driver has. If you are doing track driving it does make a noticable difference over the AWD system in the EVO IX. For your average daily drive it makes zero difference other than making the EVO X heavier than the RA.

Keith