C63 vs M3 vs ISF vs Evo MR
People don’t like hearing facts…like telling a fat woman she is fat. Therefore people aren’t going like me changing their beliefs when it comes to their cars. I am waiting for MOD to banned me again because I hurt people’s feelings.
Lets used your logic
Buy a 93 Honda Civic add a B18 turbo make the 2100lbs tune it to beat an Evo…and don’t forget about V-TEK yo!! A much cheaper road then an Evo. Are you gonna do that? Maybe not and that’s my point when it come to Evo VS AMG or M3. Going the cheap road isnt for everyone. How is my logic screwed up on that?
And also people need to get off their high hose on "Evos are the best track cars". You know its a big world out there and there's lots of cars thats better and faster on tracks and there's always a driver better then you too.
BTW the C63 and Z06 numbers are pretty close, people are fool on Evo's...dont be fool on the C63 its a car that will put up a very good fight
http://www.metacafe.com/tags/c63/
Lets used your logic
Buy a 93 Honda Civic add a B18 turbo make the 2100lbs tune it to beat an Evo…and don’t forget about V-TEK yo!! A much cheaper road then an Evo. Are you gonna do that? Maybe not and that’s my point when it come to Evo VS AMG or M3. Going the cheap road isnt for everyone. How is my logic screwed up on that?
And also people need to get off their high hose on "Evos are the best track cars". You know its a big world out there and there's lots of cars thats better and faster on tracks and there's always a driver better then you too.
BTW the C63 and Z06 numbers are pretty close, people are fool on Evo's...dont be fool on the C63 its a car that will put up a very good fight
http://www.metacafe.com/tags/c63/
The big deal here is the AWD and the AYC. Which makes the EVO, on top of everything else. You can't (unless you transparent the entire Evo drive train) mod a Civic to have it or a C63. It's not all about power. If that was the case, then the 1500hp Supra should win ever time.
Last edited by South Side Evo; Dec 2, 2008 at 12:36 PM.
Your logic is still screwed up and you still don't get it.
The big deal here is the AWD and the AYC. Which makes the EVO, on top of everything else. You can't mod a Civic to have it or a C63. It's not all about power. If that was the case, then the 1500hp Supra should win ever time.
The big deal here is the AWD and the AYC. Which makes the EVO, on top of everything else. You can't mod a Civic to have it or a C63. It's not all about power. If that was the case, then the 1500hp Supra should win ever time.
and you can get a civic to beat an Evo, it can be done so get off your high horse
Its funny how the threads stray off the topic sometimes even though the OP clearly states what he's looking for, which are:
- Interior looks and material
- Exterior looks
- Driving feel and fun factor
He didn't mention anything about outright performance and 1/4mile or track lap times.
He also mentions that he's willing to spend a bit for custom interior, which could also mean he could spend a little on performance and/or fun factor if needed.
In theory, anything is possible, if you really have no limit of cash, I'm sure you can even make your car fly from Los Angeles to Tokyo. But in real life, it is unlikely or not possible. Each car sold has target range of customers and money is the first factor, how much they earn and how much asset they have. If not, why even bother with comparisons? Just buy em all.
IS-F and C63 are muscle cars with lots of perks, and they go like stink in line bone stock and they do put respectable lap times on tracks. JGTC IS and CLK DTM will put a lot of track prepped evo to shame.
But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'
Also, unfortunately for IS-F and C63, although they are fast, they are not that fun. Speed does not always equal to fun factor, are M3 convertible owners that bought the car for fun are morons for not buying an M3 coupe? Probably not.
People are restricted to what they have and what they earn, they have their needs which usually consists of more than just one factor, and they are regulated on the public road. Otherwise our roads will be filled with dragsters, F1 cars and pikes peak hill climbers.
- Interior looks and material
- Exterior looks
- Driving feel and fun factor
He didn't mention anything about outright performance and 1/4mile or track lap times.
He also mentions that he's willing to spend a bit for custom interior, which could also mean he could spend a little on performance and/or fun factor if needed.
In theory, anything is possible, if you really have no limit of cash, I'm sure you can even make your car fly from Los Angeles to Tokyo. But in real life, it is unlikely or not possible. Each car sold has target range of customers and money is the first factor, how much they earn and how much asset they have. If not, why even bother with comparisons? Just buy em all.
IS-F and C63 are muscle cars with lots of perks, and they go like stink in line bone stock and they do put respectable lap times on tracks. JGTC IS and CLK DTM will put a lot of track prepped evo to shame.
But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'
Also, unfortunately for IS-F and C63, although they are fast, they are not that fun. Speed does not always equal to fun factor, are M3 convertible owners that bought the car for fun are morons for not buying an M3 coupe? Probably not.
People are restricted to what they have and what they earn, they have their needs which usually consists of more than just one factor, and they are regulated on the public road. Otherwise our roads will be filled with dragsters, F1 cars and pikes peak hill climbers.
and cheaper is betterhey South Side Evo...another one for the bad guy =PP
Last edited by redteam22003; Dec 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM.
In addition, Civic's are great up to a point, but the limiting factor is it's FWD. So, no.
and here a list of videos that civic vs evo
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search...oq=civic+vs+ev
why did the civic win?
answer is MONEY
And there is also videos with civic's beating Evos on track...try searching before looking like a jack as* again
"But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'"
You really are a 'tard.
Did you even read what the guy wrote?
"But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'"
You really are a 'tard.
"But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'"
You really are a 'tard.
key word is MOD, LOL
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I guess all I want to know is who here actually tracks their car. And I don't mean driving the 1/4 mile. If you are going to comment on this one, I want someone that has driven the cars at the track (and can prove it) side by side, and can say, yep, this one is better to me.
Anyone? See, the "fanboy" takes what a mag. puts down as scripture, thinks that #'s are everything, and no matter who is in the seat, that car will win.
Nope. I could be put into a f*cking rocket and still lose to real drivers.
Who here is over 25? Seriously, who? And can check the spelling and punctuation before we hit post? Please?
Anyone? See, the "fanboy" takes what a mag. puts down as scripture, thinks that #'s are everything, and no matter who is in the seat, that car will win.
Nope. I could be put into a f*cking rocket and still lose to real drivers.
Who here is over 25? Seriously, who? And can check the spelling and punctuation before we hit post? Please?
I guess all I want to know is who here actually tracks their car. And I don't mean driving the 1/4 mile. If you are going to comment on this one, I want someone that has driven the cars at the track (and can prove it) side by side, and can say, yep, this one is better to me.
Anyone? See, the "fanboy" takes what a mag. puts down as scripture, thinks that #'s are everything, and no matter who is in the seat, that car will win.
Nope. I could be put into a f*cking rocket and still lose to real drivers.
Who here is over 25? Seriously, who? And can check the spelling and punctuation before we hit post? Please?
Anyone? See, the "fanboy" takes what a mag. puts down as scripture, thinks that #'s are everything, and no matter who is in the seat, that car will win.
Nope. I could be put into a f*cking rocket and still lose to real drivers.
Who here is over 25? Seriously, who? And can check the spelling and punctuation before we hit post? Please?
Its funny how the threads stray off the topic sometimes even though the OP clearly states what he's looking for, which are:
- Interior looks and material
- Exterior looks
- Driving feel and fun factor
He didn't mention anything about outright performance and 1/4mile or track lap times.
He also mentions that he's willing to spend a bit for custom interior, which could also mean he could spend a little on performance and/or fun factor if needed.
In theory, anything is possible, if you really have no limit of cash, I'm sure you can even make your car fly from Los Angeles to Tokyo. But in real life, it is unlikely or not possible. Each car sold has target range of customers and money is the first factor, how much they earn and how much asset they have. If not, why even bother with comparisons? Just buy em all.
IS-F and C63 are muscle cars with lots of perks, and they go like stink in line bone stock and they do put respectable lap times on tracks. JGTC IS and CLK DTM will put a lot of track prepped evo to shame.
But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'
Also, unfortunately for IS-F and C63, although they are fast, they are not that fun. Speed does not always equal to fun factor, are M3 convertible owners that bought the car for fun are morons for not buying an M3 coupe? Probably not.
People are restricted to what they have and what they earn, they have their needs which usually consists of more than just one factor, and they are regulated on the public road. Otherwise our roads will be filled with dragsters, F1 cars and pikes peak hill climbers.
- Interior looks and material
- Exterior looks
- Driving feel and fun factor
He didn't mention anything about outright performance and 1/4mile or track lap times.
He also mentions that he's willing to spend a bit for custom interior, which could also mean he could spend a little on performance and/or fun factor if needed.
In theory, anything is possible, if you really have no limit of cash, I'm sure you can even make your car fly from Los Angeles to Tokyo. But in real life, it is unlikely or not possible. Each car sold has target range of customers and money is the first factor, how much they earn and how much asset they have. If not, why even bother with comparisons? Just buy em all.
IS-F and C63 are muscle cars with lots of perks, and they go like stink in line bone stock and they do put respectable lap times on tracks. JGTC IS and CLK DTM will put a lot of track prepped evo to shame.
But it also means a lot if say 80% of evo owners have mods that put C63 in shame both straight line and on a road course, where only 2% C63's are modded (these are fictional figures), as statistically it is correct to say 'majority of evo on the road are quicker than C63'
Also, unfortunately for IS-F and C63, although they are fast, they are not that fun. Speed does not always equal to fun factor, are M3 convertible owners that bought the car for fun are morons for not buying an M3 coupe? Probably not.
People are restricted to what they have and what they earn, they have their needs which usually consists of more than just one factor, and they are regulated on the public road. Otherwise our roads will be filled with dragsters, F1 cars and pikes peak hill climbers.
? so the Evo is a shame on track?
Well you being in Asia you should known better...
I guess all I want to know is who here actually tracks their car. And I don't mean driving the 1/4 mile. If you are going to comment on this one, I want someone that has driven the cars at the track (and can prove it) side by side, and can say, yep, this one is better to me.
Anyone? See, the "fanboy" takes what a mag. puts down as scripture, thinks that #'s are everything, and no matter who is in the seat, that car will win.
Nope. I could be put into a f*cking rocket and still lose to real drivers.
Who here is over 25? Seriously, who? And can check the spelling and punctuation before we hit post? Please?
Anyone? See, the "fanboy" takes what a mag. puts down as scripture, thinks that #'s are everything, and no matter who is in the seat, that car will win.
Nope. I could be put into a f*cking rocket and still lose to real drivers.
Who here is over 25? Seriously, who? And can check the spelling and punctuation before we hit post? Please?
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great. Have you driven the cars that you are debting and can say that one is better then the other? When did you take an ISF or C63 to the track and say that the Evo would beat it's time? Or are you using the fact its a lux car and that means it cant possibly beat the rally bred Evo? Last I checked-MBZ and McLaren do a "decent" job of setting up track cars, and AMG makes some tweaks to keep that "3800#" car on the road pretty well. My guess is-and I fall into this as well-that most of us "like" (I mean NEED) the AWD to make us faster on those tracks-and the RWD, to be honest, are better drivers then us. The car isnt everything-and a good driver, I really do believe, will be faster in an ISF and a C63 then the X....quite a bit faster.
great. Have you driven the cars that you are debting and can say that one is better then the other? When did you take an ISF or C63 to the track and say that the Evo would beat it's time? Or are you using the fact its a lux car and that means it cant possibly beat the rally bred Evo? Last I checked-MBZ and McLaren do a "decent" job of setting up track cars, and AMG makes some tweaks to keep that "3800#" car on the road pretty well. My guess is-and I fall into this as well-that most of us "like" (I mean NEED) the AWD to make us faster on those tracks-and the RWD, to be honest, are better drivers then us. The car isnt everything-and a good driver, I really do believe, will be faster in an ISF and a C63 then the X....quite a bit faster.
i drove the more track oriented AMG 190E Evo II. hard on track. So i know how the track set up AMG behave and work. How about you?
you are talking about Mclaren etc... i think you getting lost.
Why we are talking about tracking them anyway? Those cars for not track use, they are highway runners.
That is why from the beginning i said : bad comparison.
ps. just for food for you: the RWD is better theoretically then a AWD on road course.
Soon as you put slick on the car, the AWD advantage is fades away.
you will love this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZExdTHHjY
full version:
http://www.flixxy.com/test-drive-bmw...3-audi-rs4.htm
http://www.flixxy.com/test-drive-bmw...audi-rs4-2.htm
Last edited by Robevo RS; Dec 2, 2008 at 03:09 PM.
08EvoXGSR brought up a lot of good points in that sense anyway and so did 4Trouble in the same regard that I'm aiming at.
And no, I'm comparing Mitsubishi to Dell. But it's a computer tech joke that you wouldn't get unless you knew computers. If Mitsu is Dell, then the Evo is their XPS.