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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AWDTerror
Fail.....
The front is not "open" those are brake ducts next to the intercooler.
This exact kit to be specific
wel.....that's the copy papi.
this is the original:

http://www.ralliart.co.jp/GRN/homolo...ancerEvo10.pdf

pag 76
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld

DarwinX said:
So you've made your intercooler less effcient now because you think it looks cool?

Prove it.
The fact that now the sides of the intercooler are also receiving cool air might in fact lower down the temperatures. Who knows?
The fact that also the radiator is receiving directly fresh air might also lower down the coolant temperatures. Who knows?
Prove what...the obvious fact that the angled plastic sides on each end of the intercooler diverts/directs more air through the intercooler opposed to having no diverters at all? Increased (cooler) airflow over a warm surface doesn't lower temperature better than a decreased airflow?

Have you ever stuck your hand out the window of a moving car?



Maybe Subaru should stop making hood scoops for their TMIC because they're useless too...huh?

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stokEd
Here's Mitsubishi's opinion :
ok, let's continue talking bulls..t

the graphics that you show shows more a 20% than a 50% of Air speed increased, did you edit the %???


becouse all those beatifull termografics and bulls...t is why the SST get hot at the track.

some guys have come out with a fan heat extractor. whatever idea, your porshe designed ducts:
DOESN"T WORK!!!!



open the f... ducts and you will have more surface of contact. that;s the important in the ecuation, no speed.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld
wel.....that's the copy papi.
this is the original:

http://www.ralliart.co.jp/GRN/homolo...ancerEvo10.pdf

pag 76
fixed it for you. working link. great doc btw!
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DarwinX
Prove what...the obvious fact that the angled plastic sides on each end of the intercooler diverts/directs more air through the intercooler opposed to having no diverters at all? Increased (cooler) airflow over a warm surface doesn't lower temperature better than a decreased airflow?

Have you ever stuck your hand out the window of a moving car?



Maybe Subaru should stop making hood scoops for their TMIC because they're useless too...huh?
it doesn't divert "more" air
it divert air "faster", it's diferent
same thing happen when your step on top of a water pipe, water come out faster, in less diameter. the amount of water is the same, since the City is sending you trough the pipes the same amount,
now if the city increase the flow, you will have more water coming from the pipes, what is in our case to increase the speed of the car, the faster you go, the more air comes inside.
but open or close, the amount of air is the same, provably is even less if you study the turbulance that bottle necks can create.
sometimes companies play with your mind like that and you believe that becouse is "faster" the air you are going to have more.
lol
get use to
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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I wouldn't remove them cuz they do serve a purpose in directing all the air through the part of the intercooler that will most benefit from it. Whether its 1% or 50% doesn't matter the point is it does something there. As for looks, its just my opinion but I dont think it looks to good without an aftermarket intercooler behind there. That is only my opinion and this your car so if you think it looks good then do it up.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by blk-majik
fixed it for you. working link. great doc btw!
indeed
thanks
enjoy it
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld
ok, let's continue talking bulls..t

the graphics that you show shows more a 20% than a 50% of Air speed increased, did you edit the %???


becouse all those beatifull termografics and bulls...t is why the SST get hot at the track.

some guys have come out with a fan heat extractor. whatever idea, your porshe designed ducts:
DOESN"T WORK!!!!



open the f... ducts and you will have more surface of contact. that;s the important in the ecuation, no speed.
You have it all wrong dude. It does more than just divert and speed up the air speed. It forces the air to go through the IC and radiator. You can have lots of surface, but if air doesn't go through it, it won't do a thing. See with the plastic, air in that area are forced to go through the IC. Without it, they are free to to below, or to the side so you don't get as much cooling. But you sound like you are locked in a battle with whoever, and made up your mind already. I'm just informing you from experience. You don't have to believe me, or take my word for it. It's not like it makes a difference in my life whether you believe or not.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld
it doesn't divert "more" air
it divert air "faster", it's diferent
same thing happen when your step on top of a water pipe, water come out faster, in less diameter. the amount of water is the same, since the City is sending you trough the pipes the same amount,
now if the city increase the flow, you will have more water coming from the pipes, what is in our case to increase the speed of the car, the faster you go, the more air comes inside.
but open or close, the amount of air is the same, provably is even less if you study the turbulance that bottle necks can create.
sometimes companies play with your mind like that and you believe that becouse is "faster" the air you are going to have more.
lol
get use to


Faster flow through a given diameter = increased volume flowing through in a given time frame...hence more air.

The intake area of the intercooler doesn't change when you remove the diverters...but the diverters do increase the rate of flow through it.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 03:55 PM
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This look is starting to grow on me.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 04:16 PM
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Honestly, I like it better in place. Makes the FMIC less conspicuous. I mean, everyone knows it's an EVO X, so there's got to be a FMIC. But it's not like ***** out chromed finish "hey look at my huge *** intercooler, I must be hella fast!".

Subtle, yet intimidating. At least that's my stance.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 04:53 PM
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You have it all wrong dude. It does more than just divert and speed up the air speed. It forces the air to go through the IC and radiator. You can have lots of surface, but if air doesn't go through it, it won't do a thing. See with the plastic, air in that area are forced to go through the IC. Without it, they are free to to below, or to the side so you don't get as much cooling. But you sound like you are locked in a battle with whoever, and made up your mind already. I'm just informing you from experience. You don't have to believe me, or take my word for it. It's not like it makes a difference in my life whether you believe or not.
believe?
I believe math, physics and 15 years designing/constructing buildings buddy.
And that’s why I believe that we don’t know a crap about nature. We slightly predict what is going to happen in a perfect calculated world.
In the real world, just years of experience tell you what is the best path.
don't get mad, I don't. you probably know about your stuff, I know about mine and we establish an interesting conversation,
the results is a nice topic and a lot of info that we both bring it right?
I understand what you are saying and agree the shape of the "thing" is well designed.
my point is:
mitsu created that part because esthetic. I will need some sketch paper , a front picture and be in front of you to explain you.
It’s evident that they are hiding the erratic angles of the intercooler on the sides, hiding the cheap intercooler hoses and give to the car the beautiful and aggressive front it has.
ones they have it, they tried to make it look cool and functional, and actually it is. how functional? I don't know.
show me temperature numbers, no air speed % numbers, even a little kid knows that the less diameter you have, the faster fluids flow.
but again, in heat dissipation, is not speed the main variable in the formula but air volume and area of contact,
because such little deep I really doubt it create such benefice. yes I would be stupid to design it flat. but what if there is no part at all?
All that area for static appearance will be also an air entrance area meaning more air volume. Who knows?
To prove who is right or not, we have to measure oil, water and IC air temperatures with and without the part
But I’m sure we both don’t have the time for it

Air is not a unidirectional force that you can predict with such a little piece, in real conditions, cars turn in both directions, air never came in a perfect 90 degrees angle, and you probably will see sometimes air coming out the duct (if we can call it like that) instead getting in.
you really see benefices of air guidance when you have a tunnel let’s say 1' deep minimum for that part. see the picture below:
This is a functional Air duck done by AMS for one of their SuperEvos.
Bye bye pretty plastic “thing”
Hello 100% air flow to the oil cooler
Well done Ams!!!!!!!!

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 05:23 PM
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i like it. im thinking about doing the same thing. if you look at it from afar they look like fangs.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DarwinX


Faster flow through a given diameter = increased volume flowing through in a given time frame...hence more air.

The intake area of the intercooler doesn't change when you remove the diverters...but the diverters do increase the rate of flow through it.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
i got it!!!!!!!!!
that's why we reduce our exhaust diameter to 1 inch pipes, to increase volume flow right?
or maybe that's why we spend 300 bucks to make the IC pipes wider.
Got it!!

Buddy, really, did study fluids?
Archimedes, Pascal, do you know these buddies?

If you are blowing air through a pipe and your reduce the diameter you will have indeed more speed (if you are able to keep the same air preasure) the volume of air getting inside is the same or less because the backpressure and turbulence that you create reducing the diameter.
maybe i should bring you some formulas
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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Not your buddy, and what does building design have to do with it? Being condescending is also not "nice topic and a lot of info that we both bring it" Whatever, like I said, you believe what you believe, I could careless. It's not even our thread.
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