if you got a custom tune then your 08 would be making a ton more than a stock 10

 

True, but I think that is the OP's point: The stock 2010 MR, STOCK, no flashes, straight off the showroom, is running faster than ANY of the 08s did stock.

Its not just one press fleet car either, as multiple examples reviewed (including n owner provided car) have it running in the 4s, by the same companies that reviewed the 08 MR when it came out.

 

And I call hogwash or ringer car(s). 103.6mph needs to be duplicated by multiple people on this site. A lot of shops have dynoed 2010s and have not see these huge gains over the 2008 models. A 3mph trap speed gain in a car of this weight is approximately a 30whp gain.

Its BS in my mind until I see a 2010 30whp stock over a 2008 on the same dyno, or other people with stock cars replicate the almost 104mph trap speed in their stock 2010 Evos.

Looks like you have a 2010 MR, get out there and prove it at a nearby dragstrip. Timeslips trump internet conjecture and magazine results any day.

 

Just had my 2010 MR Touring on a Dynapack dyno last night. Unfortunately, no real baseline because I already had my Fujitsubo cat-back installed. 255 lb/ft torque peaking at 4300 rpm and 231 hp... of course at the wheel.

 

I pulled up the R&T article (oddly, they have it in a comparo with a SHO) and they mention the much improved SST software vs. their long-term '08 MR, I think that probably made the biggest difference. I would like to see results from other mags/sources though before drawing conclusions. I would especially like to see the C&D 5-60 rolling test as that is the best test of daily, real-world acceleration (for those that don't do redline launches at every stop).

 

why cant we have 295 at the wheels stock???????????????????????????????

 

I don't have to prove it: (and frankly I don't care, I bought the MR Touring as it was already going to be a great performance car, months before these slight improvements were published) multiple national resources (Road and Track, edmunds, D-Sport and Jalopnik.com all have run multiple tests on different 2010
MR tourings, (some owner provdided, i.e. bought from the dealership and handed over for comparison and numbers testing, so no 'ringer' from the manufacturer).

You claim "a lot of shops" have dynoed 2010s, so if you introduce it, you can look them up. I already provided a link to the jalopnik.com story, D-sport's review is printed and the DVD that came with it details their runs for numbers with improved 0-60 over the 08 MRs, and road and track's story and numbers have been posted here or are available on their website now.

No one is saying 'leaps and bounds better', but many of the reviews have mentioned ECU or SST remapping as the cause for the improved times, which with two years off (and the fact service announcements were sent out for re-flashes to fix smooth out initial 08 MRs,) seems entirely plausible. So far, national angencies which reviews BOTH the 08 and 10 MRs state the 10 is slightly faster; in terms of feel and performance numbers.

Not trying to start a flame war, I'm really not. I bought mine, others can buy (or own) whatever they want, but saying "Prove to me these improvements don't exist" when NUMEROUS agencies, including many boards with owners of both (through test drives or ownership) claim the 2010 to be or feel slightly faster seems excessive.

Believe it or don't. I ordered my 2010 MR Touring this summer before it was even made.

Improvement or not, the Evolution MR is a great performance car, and it AWD/rally legend is undeniable.

But demanding proof against mounting evidence is like having someone prove to you unicorns don't exist, there is a chance: but demanding "because someone could still bring before me a unicorn, I refuse to rule out their existence."

The whole thing is rather silly.

*MAIN POINT: If the TC-SST programming was adjusted/fixed/tuned, whatever you want to call it, it seems to explain why the 2010 MR is running off slightly better times than the 08 MR, resulting in 0-60 in the mid to high 4 second range, a performance which should be celebrated.

(which considering it had a service bulletin and a year off, [no 09 model] seems entirely plausible.)

Cheers.



Which again would explain an increase in stock performance without any claimed hp improvement, but an improved SST through software or engineering is why if two people have the same car, and one shifts faster AND smoother, one would still be faster (albeit slightly, but still faster.)

 

I wasn't debating that point, in fact, I think we're in agreement here, just stating that the better software/programming probably accounts for the better numbers (I didn't see your post on the previous page with the Jalopnik info until now, sorry for any confusion).

 

I can't find the Edmunds test, do you have a link?

 

Hey no sweat, jwoods; and like you said, I agree with you: better software/programming seems to account for the better numbers. Good stuff and thanks for the good discussion!

I am glad we can chat about the Evolutions we have here, and once in a while, be amazed at the engineering that goes into them.

 

Why are we brethren fighting? An Evo is still an Evo, be it RS, GSR, MR, MR Touring, FQ-300, FQ-320, FQ-360, FQ-400, etc

Apparently it looks as if Mitsubishi made some ECU changes, most 2010 Test seem to tell the same story, the damn thing is underrated, Mitsubishi Motors North America doesn't want a mad 2008 Evo-clientele now do they?

/thread!

 

I have no doubt that the shift logic was improved, and this can drop ETs, but trap speed is a function of powerband used versus weight. 0-60 times will also tell you how "quick" a driver is (or a sixty foot from a dragstrip, rather), but "fast" is an indication of trap speed. This is not up for dispute. A 3600 pound AWD car that can trap almost 104mph in average weather needs to make 270whp on a dynojet.

3-4mph in the quarter mile is not "slightly" better. Its a whole lot better. This means the car is really making closer to 330 at the crank, instead of 291.

I'm only suggesting the cars that were used in the Cadillac shootout and Road & Track SHO comparo were tuned. Nothing more or less. How do you know they weren't? Why were both these tests a Graphite Gray MR Touring? Were they the same car?

I'll eat crow and claim the 2010 really is a 330HP rated as 291HP car when I start seeing completely independent drapstrip results to support 103-104mph trap speeds.

 

No eating crow or anything or sort, if they are, great, if not, the MR of any year is still a feared and respected performance machine!

agreed. Happy Veterans Day everyone!

 

I want an MR touring... but im too poor.. waaa wwaaaawaaaa

i would take it over a 335I sedan.. (but not an M3 sedan..lol)

 

so the question begs, what do 08's dyno stock on that dynapack?

also mitsu now rates 2010 peak tq at 4000 so 4300 pk tq is more in line with 08's... Hmmm....

PS: Noize is 100% on the money. trap speed > et any day. anybody can have a good/bad launch, but when you trap that high, you packin some punch...