Debating getting rid of the X...
It sounds like a rally school would be good for you. Or at least an open field so you can get the feel of disrupting the weight and putting the car into a power slide. It was funny watching road course drivers at the rally school, they kept treating the dirt just like a road course 
Always a consideration, as is the Cayman S and M Coupe.
I disagree. I actually sold my 2005 Evo and bought a 2005 S2k. I prefer the S2k in every way compared to the Evo for a daily driver. It's a much nicer interior, you sit IN the car as opposed to ON the car, the tranny is way better, parts are cheaper, I get 25%-35% better gas mileage, and insurance is a tad cheaper. For 95% of what I use a car for, it's perfect. For the other 5%, I borrow a friend's car Keep in mind, I'm a single guy living in an apartment, so I don't have kids to haul or have to make runs to Home Depot.
I've tracked and auto-x'd the S2k (within two weeks of getting it), and you have to be much more mindful of your steering and throttle inputs compared to the Evo. If you want more perspective, search for a thread by David Buschur on his first track day experience. He asked the question, "take the Evo or take the Eclipse?" I suggested taking the Eclipse. Read his experiences from his track day on why the Evo is not an ideal car to learn to drive in.
MrBonus, another option, get a trailer and a kart
Keep in mind, I'm a single guy living in an apartment, so I don't have kids to haul or have to make runs to Home Depot.I've tracked and auto-x'd the S2k (within two weeks of getting it), and you have to be much more mindful of your steering and throttle inputs compared to the Evo. If you want more perspective, search for a thread by David Buschur on his first track day experience. He asked the question, "take the Evo or take the Eclipse?" I suggested taking the Eclipse. Read his experiences from his track day on why the Evo is not an ideal car to learn to drive in.
MrBonus, another option, get a trailer and a kart
A good idea but my Mini is my daily driver. It's a blast of a car but it also has the big panoramic sunroof, heavy, leather, heated seats and all season tires. It's a street car at its heart.
I definitely get what you're saying, I've always thought the same thing - driving a traditional rear wheel drive car takes so much more skill and finesse compared to an evo.. you can almost pin the gas after the apex and the electronics just sort everything out, especially with the x (with sawc and s-ayc), and i'm sure it will get easier with each continuing "evolution" of the car.
I always have a difficult time driving a rwd car after driving the evo for long periods of time. The point of the evo has always been to be the quickest car, but not necessarily the quickest driver. i don't know if i'd ever get rid of my evo, but I'm planning on picking up an e92 m3 relatively soon.. i think it's one of the most well balanced cars on the market out there.. and of course a miata would be good for "practicing"..
I think I'd take an AP2 sk2 over an AP1 if I had the choice.. There were a lot of improvements with the car overall, you just can't rev to 9k like with the old ones =/
I always have a difficult time driving a rwd car after driving the evo for long periods of time. The point of the evo has always been to be the quickest car, but not necessarily the quickest driver. i don't know if i'd ever get rid of my evo, but I'm planning on picking up an e92 m3 relatively soon.. i think it's one of the most well balanced cars on the market out there.. and of course a miata would be good for "practicing"..
I think I'd take an AP2 sk2 over an AP1 if I had the choice.. There were a lot of improvements with the car overall, you just can't rev to 9k like with the old ones =/
MrBonus, am I missing the obvious here? TRACK THAT MINI! True, its not RWD, and true it is turbo so it won't be the momentum car an NA Mini would, but it would help you mix things up, and it will be more of a challenge than your X is.
I have a friend with a Honda Fit. Its terribly slow, but I can't help but think that with a few mods, and religious autocrossing, I would become a much better driver.
I love the idea of an AP1 S2000 in one place only: The racetrack. Other than that, it would be a tiring companion. You could get into an E36 M3 for less money, it is rewarding to race, and its not a one trick pony. I dunno, just rambling, food for thought.
I have a friend with a Honda Fit. Its terribly slow, but I can't help but think that with a few mods, and religious autocrossing, I would become a much better driver.
I love the idea of an AP1 S2000 in one place only: The racetrack. Other than that, it would be a tiring companion. You could get into an E36 M3 for less money, it is rewarding to race, and its not a one trick pony. I dunno, just rambling, food for thought.
i like those post; like in the evo you will never be learn to be a good driver. Awesome.
That what you can call it self confident statement.
Its funny really.
you know what makes you a better driver? When you drive on the limit... And wont matter which type of car you driving for that or keep changing the cars you drive.
On the side note , you dont know your limits until you crash, really. Because if you crash thats over your limit. So being a better driver is not depending on the car you drive, more like how you drive it. And as more you explore your own limits step by step you became a better driver. Thats the only way to be a better driver. If you stay within your limits you will never pass your limits.
Just my opinion.
Rob
That what you can call it self confident statement.
Its funny really.
you know what makes you a better driver? When you drive on the limit... And wont matter which type of car you driving for that or keep changing the cars you drive.
On the side note , you dont know your limits until you crash, really. Because if you crash thats over your limit. So being a better driver is not depending on the car you drive, more like how you drive it. And as more you explore your own limits step by step you became a better driver. Thats the only way to be a better driver. If you stay within your limits you will never pass your limits.
Just my opinion.
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Nov 21, 2009 at 07:46 PM.
i like those post; like in the evo you will never be learn to be a good driver. Awesome.
That what you can call it self confident statement.
Its funny really.
you know what makes you a better driver? When you drive on the limit... And wont matter which type of car you driving for that or keep changing the cars you drive.
On the side note , you dont know your limits until you crash, really. Because if you crash thats over your limit. So being a better driver is not depending on the car you drive, more like how you drive it. And as more you explore your own limits step by step you became a better driver. Thats the only way to be a better driver. If you stay within your limits you will never pass your limits.
Just my opinion.
Rob
That what you can call it self confident statement.
Its funny really.
you know what makes you a better driver? When you drive on the limit... And wont matter which type of car you driving for that or keep changing the cars you drive.
On the side note , you dont know your limits until you crash, really. Because if you crash thats over your limit. So being a better driver is not depending on the car you drive, more like how you drive it. And as more you explore your own limits step by step you became a better driver. Thats the only way to be a better driver. If you stay within your limits you will never pass your limits.
Just my opinion.
Rob
And it does matter what car. Just because you can drive to the limit of an evo's ability doesn't mean you can hop into an enzo and drive that car to it's limits.
Obviously, that's just an exaggeration to make the point. There are other things that come into play. Power/torque is a bigger issue for cars with rwd, that is not as much of an issue for cars like the evo.. especially when the car is using all its gadgets to help the driver. You can't drive a 450whp s2000 the way you can a 450whp evo..
In any car, you will get the basics of pushing the car, driving on the track etc... But going from an s2000 to an evo will be easier on the driver than one going from an evo to an s2000. You can't honestly sit there and say it's harder to drive an evo than an equivalent rwd car of some sort.. it just isn't.
On that note, I know you're a big rally guy, which is different. What you say more applies to rally, but on the track it's a bit different. Mitsu built this car to be fast, as fast as they can make it using advanced 4wd systems. It means sacrificing things, taking things out of the driver's control and putting them into the car's hands.
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get rid of the evo. obviously you want to be more in control when the rear end slides out. awd and rwd are truly different. the electronics and the awd do take away from the driver in that sense. with my z32tt, it was a much different feel than my evo. there is alot more driver input to control a rwd than an awd. period. that said, it was much scarier to drive in the rain than my evo also. that thing slid all over the friggin place. i heart my evo!
I'd have to disagree, of course.. driving on the limit doesn't improve your driving.. practice does. Being able to drive to the limit is a result of being a good driver, not the other way around.
And it does matter what car. Just because you can drive to the limit of an evo's ability doesn't mean you can hop into an enzo and drive that car to it's limits.
Obviously, that's just an exaggeration to make the point. There are other things that come into play. Power/torque is a bigger issue for cars with rwd, that is not as much of an issue for cars like the evo.. especially when the car is using all its gadgets to help the driver. You can't drive a 450whp s2000 the way you can a 450whp evo..
In any car, you will get the basics of pushing the car, driving on the track etc... But going from an s2000 to an evo will be easier on the driver than one going from an evo to an s2000. You can't honestly sit there and say it's harder to drive an evo than an equivalent rwd car of some sort.. it just isn't.
On that note, I know you're a big rally guy, which is different. What you say more applies to rally, but on the track it's a bit different. Mitsu built this car to be fast, as fast as they can make it using advanced 4wd systems. It means sacrificing things, taking things out of the driver's control and putting them into the car's hands.
And it does matter what car. Just because you can drive to the limit of an evo's ability doesn't mean you can hop into an enzo and drive that car to it's limits.
Obviously, that's just an exaggeration to make the point. There are other things that come into play. Power/torque is a bigger issue for cars with rwd, that is not as much of an issue for cars like the evo.. especially when the car is using all its gadgets to help the driver. You can't drive a 450whp s2000 the way you can a 450whp evo..
In any car, you will get the basics of pushing the car, driving on the track etc... But going from an s2000 to an evo will be easier on the driver than one going from an evo to an s2000. You can't honestly sit there and say it's harder to drive an evo than an equivalent rwd car of some sort.. it just isn't.
On that note, I know you're a big rally guy, which is different. What you say more applies to rally, but on the track it's a bit different. Mitsu built this car to be fast, as fast as they can make it using advanced 4wd systems. It means sacrificing things, taking things out of the driver's control and putting them into the car's hands.
I say you're both right in the limits category. I race on the conservative side. One of the reasons I've had very few injuries compared to other people I have raced against the years. I don't let it all hang out all the time, and I stay on the bike more. Practice helps find your limits and push them slightly. Hanging it out helps find those limits quicker. From my PoV practicing conservatively will help find where you're at and improve your driving at the same time. But hanging it out will produce a faster driver. I vote conservative since it's easier on the wallet and body
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S2000? If moneys not a problem I would Import a 2008 Exige S 240. You just want a S2000 cuz of the Option Touge videos huh? S2000 like understeer and oversteer. If you don't invest into it, the S2000 will roll over and break you neck like some guy at my local trackZZn jnj
. get ready for this to happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_u0dUp2DA and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUug...eature=related and this when you try taking a apex like an evo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_khZi...eature=related S200 is 1960s TECH with a 1999 era engine Nothing special , its a Miata with a stiffer chassis . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoAmhrHA4k the same track where the S2000 owner snapped his neck . He didn't die though.
. get ready for this to happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_u0dUp2DA and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUug...eature=related and this when you try taking a apex like an evo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_khZi...eature=related S200 is 1960s TECH with a 1999 era engine Nothing special , its a Miata with a stiffer chassis . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoAmhrHA4k the same track where the S2000 owner snapped his neck . He didn't die though.