Debating getting rid of the X...
so you just want an S2000 mainly for track driving? I have been debating selling my X... not because I want to, but because of the payment being a bit to high. If I ever do sell my X, it won't be for an S2000 though.. it's not a very versatile car compared to the X.
S2000? If moneys not a problem I would Import a 2008 Exige S 240. You just want a S2000 cuz of the Option Touge videos huh? S2000 like understeer and oversteer. If you don't invest into it, the S2000 will roll over and break you neck like some guy at my local trackZZn jnj
. get ready for this to happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_u0dUp2DA and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUug...eature=related and this when you try taking a apex like an evo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_khZi...eature=related S200 is 1960s TECH with a 1999 era engine Nothing special , its a Miata with a stiffer chassis . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoAmhrHA4k the same track where the S2000 owner snapped his neck . He didn't die though.
. get ready for this to happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_u0dUp2DA and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUug...eature=related and this when you try taking a apex like an evo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_khZi...eature=related S200 is 1960s TECH with a 1999 era engine Nothing special , its a Miata with a stiffer chassis . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoAmhrHA4k the same track where the S2000 owner snapped his neck . He didn't die though.
I feel your pain but not too much. I have an 09 s2k bought new and it is phenomenal but I am looking to pick up an EVO X. Why?
For the VERY reasons you mentioned. Nothing wrong with driving a car that is smart.
The s2k is a tail happy car, terrible in the rain and worthless in snow (I know- put snow tires on etc- no thanks).
It is a focused car that I will use on the track.
For the rest of the time I want a sports car that is an all weather machine for the NE.
Look, if it makes you feel any better, I have several friends with Porsches and each one of them gets "bored" ya know! It's the enthusiasts curse. Why do you think Jay Leno has so many cars?
I vote to wait until this dissatisfaction storm blows over (and it will) and you will fine renewed interest in your X.
For the VERY reasons you mentioned. Nothing wrong with driving a car that is smart.
The s2k is a tail happy car, terrible in the rain and worthless in snow (I know- put snow tires on etc- no thanks).
It is a focused car that I will use on the track.
For the rest of the time I want a sports car that is an all weather machine for the NE.
Look, if it makes you feel any better, I have several friends with Porsches and each one of them gets "bored" ya know! It's the enthusiasts curse. Why do you think Jay Leno has so many cars?
I vote to wait until this dissatisfaction storm blows over (and it will) and you will fine renewed interest in your X.
I feel your pain but not too much. I have an 09 s2k bought new and it is phenomenal but I am looking to pick up an EVO X. Why?
For the VERY reasons you mentioned. Nothing wrong with driving a car that is smart.
The s2k is a tail happy car, terrible in the rain and worthless in snow (I know- put snow tires on etc- no thanks).
It is a focused car that I will use on the track.
For the rest of the time I want a sports car that is an all weather machine for the NE.
Look, if it makes you feel any better, I have several friends with Porsches and each one of them gets "bored" ya know! It's the enthusiasts curse. Why do you think Jay Leno has so many cars?
I vote to wait until this dissatisfaction storm blows over (and it will) and you will fine renewed interest in your X.
For the VERY reasons you mentioned. Nothing wrong with driving a car that is smart.
The s2k is a tail happy car, terrible in the rain and worthless in snow (I know- put snow tires on etc- no thanks).
It is a focused car that I will use on the track.
For the rest of the time I want a sports car that is an all weather machine for the NE.
Look, if it makes you feel any better, I have several friends with Porsches and each one of them gets "bored" ya know! It's the enthusiasts curse. Why do you think Jay Leno has so many cars?
I vote to wait until this dissatisfaction storm blows over (and it will) and you will fine renewed interest in your X.
I'd have to disagree, of course.. driving on the limit doesn't improve your driving.. practice does. Being able to drive to the limit is a result of being a good driver, not the other way around.
And it does matter what car. Just because you can drive to the limit of an evo's ability doesn't mean you can hop into an enzo and drive that car to it's limits.
Obviously, that's just an exaggeration to make the point. There are other things that come into play. Power/torque is a bigger issue for cars with rwd, that is not as much of an issue for cars like the evo.. especially when the car is using all its gadgets to help the driver. You can't drive a 450whp s2000 the way you can a 450whp evo..
In any car, you will get the basics of pushing the car, driving on the track etc... But going from an s2000 to an evo will be easier on the driver than one going from an evo to an s2000. You can't honestly sit there and say it's harder to drive an evo than an equivalent rwd car of some sort.. it just isn't.
On that note, I know you're a big rally guy, which is different. What you say more applies to rally, but on the track it's a bit different. Mitsu built this car to be fast, as fast as they can make it using advanced 4wd systems. It means sacrificing things, taking things out of the driver's control and putting them into the car's hands.
And it does matter what car. Just because you can drive to the limit of an evo's ability doesn't mean you can hop into an enzo and drive that car to it's limits.
Obviously, that's just an exaggeration to make the point. There are other things that come into play. Power/torque is a bigger issue for cars with rwd, that is not as much of an issue for cars like the evo.. especially when the car is using all its gadgets to help the driver. You can't drive a 450whp s2000 the way you can a 450whp evo..
In any car, you will get the basics of pushing the car, driving on the track etc... But going from an s2000 to an evo will be easier on the driver than one going from an evo to an s2000. You can't honestly sit there and say it's harder to drive an evo than an equivalent rwd car of some sort.. it just isn't.
On that note, I know you're a big rally guy, which is different. What you say more applies to rally, but on the track it's a bit different. Mitsu built this car to be fast, as fast as they can make it using advanced 4wd systems. It means sacrificing things, taking things out of the driver's control and putting them into the car's hands.
How do you know when you are on your limits or close to it when you never pass them?

You need to push it and drive to close to the limit. Also i thought that is all clear , driving on the limits doesn't mean one time only... So its a practice to drive on the limit if you want to be a hair splitter...
Just because one car is easier to drive faster compare to the others , not makes you a better driver, just simply faster. You just only believe you are a better driver. Because the time you run with it... But there are maybe better drivers on the track, but in the slower cars.
As i said not what you drive, how you drive it. This is the base idea here.
This is a she said he said things so i leave it. Take it as you like it. Its my opinion, and the only reason i got into this answer because i felt you miss presented my idea. Or maybe its my english.
Anyway
i hope its clear what i said about this subject. And no hard feelings

Cheers Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Nov 22, 2009 at 06:27 PM.
[QUOTE=MrBonus;7728641]The other two cars are my Mini (daily driver) and and the fiancee's Civic. I would part with the Evo before the Mini and the fiancee needs her car.
^much wrong with this statement....
If you really want the RWD experience get an MX-5 cheap as hell, easy to mod, rwd and for only a little bit of money you can be passing cars just like you are in the EVO.
I think the mini is a cute car and is fun to drive but... if I had your car list and had to trade one in it wouldn't be the GSR.
I came from a RWD convertible and wouldn't go back.
You can still feel the AYC kick in... you know that the line you took was not the best hence the AYC correcting it for you.
The EVO allows you to focus more on Macro racing concepts like the overall line, apexes, etc... the AWD in addition to the AYC helps be more forgiving (safe), but it is a different racing experience than a RWD car.
Other options are going for car kit (usually can get manual steering and no-abs) go for the all driving aids off experience.
And... if you have room for 3 cars you have room for 4. Whats becomes the deal breaker between 3 and 4 cars? I'm not sure if its you or your wife-to-be, or other circumstances that limit your number of cars to 2 ... but if she was marring a guy who already had two cars she should expect the possibility of more... unless your running out spending the mortgage/rent money on your rides :-)
^much wrong with this statement....
If you really want the RWD experience get an MX-5 cheap as hell, easy to mod, rwd and for only a little bit of money you can be passing cars just like you are in the EVO.
I think the mini is a cute car and is fun to drive but... if I had your car list and had to trade one in it wouldn't be the GSR.
I came from a RWD convertible and wouldn't go back.
You can still feel the AYC kick in... you know that the line you took was not the best hence the AYC correcting it for you.
The EVO allows you to focus more on Macro racing concepts like the overall line, apexes, etc... the AWD in addition to the AYC helps be more forgiving (safe), but it is a different racing experience than a RWD car.
Other options are going for car kit (usually can get manual steering and no-abs) go for the all driving aids off experience.
And... if you have room for 3 cars you have room for 4. Whats becomes the deal breaker between 3 and 4 cars? I'm not sure if its you or your wife-to-be, or other circumstances that limit your number of cars to 2 ... but if she was marring a guy who already had two cars she should expect the possibility of more... unless your running out spending the mortgage/rent money on your rides :-)
Last edited by WolvieDC; Nov 22, 2009 at 06:20 PM.
man now this threads got me thinking! i was thinking the other day about trading my x for a use 8/9. IMO the 8/9 is more of a DD. sucks that you cant fit 17s on the X, it would make the ride a little more comfortable..but then i wouldnt be getting all the looks and compliment i do with my X.
I came from an 06 S2000 to the EVO X MR. To be completely honest with you, I miss the s2k. It was a fun car. Unfortunately I got side swiped while I was driving it. It took two weeks to get it back from the body shop (frame damage). I traded it in for the EVO X MR the day I got it back from the shop. If I never got hit in the s2k, I would still have it.
Both cars have pros and cons. It all depends on how far you want to take you "racing career"
Both cars have pros and cons. It all depends on how far you want to take you "racing career"
man now this threads got me thinking! i was thinking the other day about trading my x for a use 8/9. IMO the 8/9 is more of a DD. sucks that you cant fit 17s on the X, it would make the ride a little more comfortable..but then i wouldnt be getting all the looks and compliment i do with my X.
Last edited by migs647; Nov 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM.
"I'd have to disagree, of course.. driving on the limit doesn't improve your driving.. practice does. Being able to drive to the limit is a result of being a good driver, not the other way around."
How do you know when you are on your limits or close to it when you never pass them?
You need to push it and drive to close to the limit. Also i thought that is all clear , driving on the limits doesn't mean one time only... So its a practice to drive on the limit if you want to be a hair splitter...
I never came up in my mind actually i had to say that.
Just because one car is easier to drive faster compare to the others , not makes you a better driver, just simply faster. You just only believe you are a better driver. Because the time you run with it... But there are maybe better drivers on the track, but in the slower cars.
As i said not what you drive, how you drive it. This is the base idea here.
This is a she said he said things so i leave it. Take it as you like it. Its my opinion, and the only reason i got into this answer because i felt you miss presented my idea. Or maybe its my english.
Anyway
i hope its clear what i said about this subject. And no hard feelings
Cheers Rob
How do you know when you are on your limits or close to it when you never pass them?

You need to push it and drive to close to the limit. Also i thought that is all clear , driving on the limits doesn't mean one time only... So its a practice to drive on the limit if you want to be a hair splitter...
Just because one car is easier to drive faster compare to the others , not makes you a better driver, just simply faster. You just only believe you are a better driver. Because the time you run with it... But there are maybe better drivers on the track, but in the slower cars.
As i said not what you drive, how you drive it. This is the base idea here.
This is a she said he said things so i leave it. Take it as you like it. Its my opinion, and the only reason i got into this answer because i felt you miss presented my idea. Or maybe its my english.
Anyway
i hope its clear what i said about this subject. And no hard feelings

Cheers Rob
It takes a lot of skill to handle that kind of power going to the rear wheels.. And when rwd gets out of hand learning how to catch is not something you'll ever learn how to do in an evo
Oh of course, no hard feelings as usual lol. Of course you push the limit of the car, after practice.. I just think for certain cars the driver doesn't have to do as much to push those limits.. One thing from just yesterday on Top Gear I was watching was a review of the ZR1 vs the R8 v10.. R8 was so much more composed, easier to drive etc etc.. The ZR1 hit a faster time with the Stig, about a second faster than the R8. they said they both would have been able to hit a similar time with the R8.. but no where close with the ZR1..
It takes a lot of skill to handle that kind of power going to the rear wheels.. And when rwd gets out of hand learning how to catch is not something you'll ever learn how to do in an evo
It takes a lot of skill to handle that kind of power going to the rear wheels.. And when rwd gets out of hand learning how to catch is not something you'll ever learn how to do in an evo







