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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 11:54 AM
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I notice they also say the MR has a weight advantage over the GSR. Isn't it the other way around?

I'm used to the lag off the line and have adjusted accordingly so I don't really notice it that much. It definately hasn't gotten any worse over time.

Another positive is that they had no mechanical issues with their car nor did Road & Track, C&D, or Edmunds. The 08+ STI has been miserable in this regard.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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lol i love that you assume this.

every dual clutch driver i've ever seen has crazily defended their automated manual every time someone calls it an automatic (except for most of you evo guys ), ESPECIALLY m3 dct drivers.. in the end, it's a transmission that automatically shifts for you - an automatic transmission. just not the traditional torque converter.

it lags, so what.. they all do, and doesn't the improvements in the ratios greatly improve the acceleration in the '10 models?
When its in manual mode, its a manual, many other manumatics will shift if you reach the redline this will not. The only difference is you do not need the left foot and its faster.

The lag they refer to is more the stopping and going in auto mode, its take a second for it to down shift and engage.

These two trannies are not even in the same class, The SST will out perform the GSR any day, any way if they have equal hp. But yes the SST cant handle the power the other can at this point.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 12:50 PM
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I agree with the lag on the MR, but on the other hand it isn't as bad as they say. To me it feels like the boost has to built up before the car moves, but when it moves it is gone. Even with this lag issue according to my AP, I am getting 4.8s from a stop to 60.
Also for a decent pull without the launch control just , click traction off once, not the full off and left foot the brake, get it up to 3500 and its pretty impressive, not neck snapping like the launch but i'm sure not as damaging also
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by strocse
When its in manual mode, its a manual, many other manumatics will shift if you reach the redline this will not. The only difference is you do not need the left foot and its faster.

The lag they refer to is more the stopping and going in auto mode, its take a second for it to down shift and engage.

These two trannies are not even in the same class, The SST will out perform the GSR any day, any way if they have equal hp. But yes the SST cant handle the power the other can at this point.
you just proved my point... the definition of an automatic transmission is that it shifts for you. we're not talking manumatics, we're talkin about dual clutch manuals. i'm not saying it's slower. i'm saying it shifts automatically for you. this seems to drive dual clutch drivers nuts though.

anyway, ive taken a test drive. i didn't notice any lag that i wouldn't expect from a car that doesn't require your left foot
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
you just proved my point... the definition of an automatic transmission is that it shifts for you. we're not talking manumatics, we're talkin about dual clutch manuals. i'm not saying it's slower. i'm saying it shifts automatically for you. this seems to drive dual clutch drivers nuts though.

anyway, ive taken a test drive. i didn't notice any lag that i wouldn't expect from a car that doesn't require your left foot
the problem is that the SST is designed to be a clutchless paddle-shift manual with an automatic mode. NOT an auto with a manual mode...

at the least, the SST has one helluva manual mode. very, very, very few auto-manuals allow you to bounce off the rev limit all day, everyday...

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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by madfast
the problem is that the SST is designed to be a clutchless paddle-shift manual with an automatic mode. NOT an auto with a manual mode...

at the least, the SST has one helluva manual mode. very, very, very few auto-manuals allow you to bounce off the rev limit all day, everyday...
all the dual clutches do as far as i know... dct, pdk, the gtr's the gti's (i think the gti does) just not the traditional autos
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
all the dual clutches do as far as i know... dct, pdk, the gtr's the gti's (i think the gti does) just not the traditional autos
My brother's A3 Quattro's DSG will shift at redline in manual mode.
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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 10:17 PM
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all the dual clutches do as far as i know... dct, pdk, the gtr's the gti's (i think the gti does) just not the traditional autos
yeah, and they all happen to be sportscars. expensive ones at that. and sportscars with traditional autos like AMG, IS-F, and SHO all hold their revs too. Yet cars we expect to be sporty like the 335i does NOT hold their gear. at the other end of the price spectrum, the RSX auto held its gear and that was a 20k car so its definitely not a price issue, its a design choice.

what im trying to say is that mitsu chose to do what is considered sporty even if they didnt have to. they really did a good job with the SST in terms of catering to enthusiasts... the pull back for upshift? the regular joe calls it backwards. us enthusiasts? we know that's the right way to do things...

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Old Jan 7, 2010 | 08:30 AM
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lol yea i agree, it's a great transmission, never questioned that
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Old Jan 7, 2010 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by strocse
Also for a decent pull without the launch control just , click traction off once, not the full off and left foot the brake, get it up to 3500 and its pretty impressive, not neck snapping like the launch but i'm sure not as damaging also
Thanks for the info. I haven't launch my X yet too scared to mess the trans up. (The 4.8s was without a launch.)

The dealer over here gives me problems with just the intake and exhaust. I imagine the trouble that I would go through if I show up with the trans broken and modds on the car.
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Old Jan 8, 2010 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Madrican
Thanks for the info. I haven't launch my X yet too scared to mess the trans up. (The 4.8s was without a launch.)

The dealer over here gives me problems with just the intake and exhaust. I imagine the trouble that I would go through if I show up with the trans broken and modds on the car.
I'm not sure what kind of long term damage I've done, if any, but I have launched my modded 2008 MR a total of 16 times over the course of my 1.5 years and 11k miles of ownership. The first 2 times I was still stock, and the rest are with full bolt-ons (minus an intercooler) and a tune. I haven't had any trouble out of it yet other than the initial 1-2 shift and what-not that everyone has mentioned. I'm not suggesting you go nuts on it, I'm just trying to offer a little peace of mind in that this transmission is more stout than most people like to think.
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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SST not getting many favorable reviews
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