Automobile mag - Evolution MR - Four Seasons Wrap-up
Automobile mag - Evolution MR - Four Seasons Wrap-up
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No feature drew as much criticism as Mitsubishi's TC-SST dual-clutch transmission. One editor who drove an MR (not ours) on the track admitted that it was a relief to let the transmission's aggressive programming and seamless operation worry about the shifting while he focused on hitting apexes. But in daily driving, the dual-clutch proved more of a liability than an asset. The clutch's slow engagement off the line conspired with turbo lag to make the Evo feel sluggish in stop-and-go situations. This also hurt the car in our performance testing, where, despite enjoying a slight weight advantage compared with a manual-equipped GSR model, it lagged in straight-line acceleration with a (still impressive) 0-to-60-mph time of 5.3 seconds, two-tenths behind the GSR. "Clutch engagement is lackadaisical," Sherman griped after he'd completed his testing. We never had a reliability issue associated with the drivetrain (or any other component of the car, for that matter), but the transmission's hesitancy seemed to grow worse over time, even though we followed Mitsubishi's recommendation and had a pricey transmission-fluid change at 25,471 miles.
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sounds like they've exaggerated a little bit about the lag thing..ive driven a Ralliart and the SST was pretty responsive from a standstill. a lot more responsive than any other non Manual car ive driven
The clutch lag is pretty much as bad as the article says. Sure it can be launched, but unless you do launch you may as well make a sandwich while the clutch engages. There are some things you can do to help the problem like lightly blipping the throttle and fooling the SST before mashing it.
But on the other hand, one of the articles editors called it an automatic transmission, so that gives a sense of their knowledge.
But on the other hand, one of the articles editors called it an automatic transmission, so that gives a sense of their knowledge.
" but the transmission's hesitancy seemed to grow worse over time, even though we followed Mitsubishi's recommendation and had a pricey transmission-fluid change at 25,471 miles."
that is why i dont like magazine tests. They dont check or provide data of they feelings. Now feelings can be missleading, Like when you start frozen to death , after a while you dont feel it, they even say you feel warm...
and so
So that "seems" can be they just simply got used to the SSt and they were waiting for the hesitation. I'm sure we all been there. If you annoyed about something you watch it as a hawk and became more and more obvious and bigger deal
Kinda like a used girlfriend.
Only problem is , this is not a pub talk, they there to provide facts and infos about the car you may want to buy ... BUt 99% this magazine guys they think they word is salt and grain, so they dont need to back them up.
That is why i flip out all the time in these called tests.
Perhaps my attitude can be similar towards them, what i just explain about they feeling of the SST tranny...
that is why i dont like magazine tests. They dont check or provide data of they feelings. Now feelings can be missleading, Like when you start frozen to death , after a while you dont feel it, they even say you feel warm...
and soSo that "seems" can be they just simply got used to the SSt and they were waiting for the hesitation. I'm sure we all been there. If you annoyed about something you watch it as a hawk and became more and more obvious and bigger deal
Kinda like a used girlfriend.
Only problem is , this is not a pub talk, they there to provide facts and infos about the car you may want to buy ... BUt 99% this magazine guys they think they word is salt and grain, so they dont need to back them up.
That is why i flip out all the time in these called tests.
Perhaps my attitude can be similar towards them, what i just explain about they feeling of the SST tranny...
" but the transmission's hesitancy seemed to grow worse over time, even though we followed Mitsubishi's recommendation and had a pricey transmission-fluid change at 25,471 miles."
that is why i dont like magazine tests. They dont check or provide data of they feelings. Now feelings can be missleading, Like when you start frozen to death , after a while you dont feel it, they even say you feel warm... and so
So that "seems" can be they just simply got used to the SSt and they were waiting for the hesitation. I'm sure we all been there. If you annoyed about something you watch it as a hawk and became more and more obvious and bigger deal
Kinda like a used girlfriend.
Only problem is , this is not a pub talk, they there to provide facts and infos about the car you may want to buy ... BUt 99% this magazine guys they think they word is salt and grain, so they dont need to back them up.
That is why i flip out all the time in these called tests.
Perhaps my attitude can be similar towards them, what i just explain about they feeling of the SST tranny...
that is why i dont like magazine tests. They dont check or provide data of they feelings. Now feelings can be missleading, Like when you start frozen to death , after a while you dont feel it, they even say you feel warm...
and soSo that "seems" can be they just simply got used to the SSt and they were waiting for the hesitation. I'm sure we all been there. If you annoyed about something you watch it as a hawk and became more and more obvious and bigger deal
Kinda like a used girlfriend.
Only problem is , this is not a pub talk, they there to provide facts and infos about the car you may want to buy ... BUt 99% this magazine guys they think they word is salt and grain, so they dont need to back them up.
That is why i flip out all the time in these called tests.
Perhaps my attitude can be similar towards them, what i just explain about they feeling of the SST tranny...
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I notice the lag in my '10 MR-T, it is a little disappointing, but I'm learning to live with it and adjust accordingly. I honestly think it's noticeable, only because in a manual tranny with a clutch pedal, you are taking the same amount of time to engange the clutch and put the car in gear, the difference is you are actually doing the work, so it seems seamless to you.
Except, this wasn't a test. The 4-season wrap-up consists of correlated, subjective impressions logged by those who've driven the car over the course of a year and +25K miles. Typically, everyone in the organization is welcome to use the car. It comes with a log book. When the car is returned, the user fills out the log book with his/her comments.
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but the transmission's hesitancy seemed to grow worse over time, even though we followed Mitsubishi's recommendation and had a pricey transmission-fluid change at 25,471 miles.
Those morons didn't even get out of automatic mode to really drive the car like the automated-manual it is.
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I notice the lag in my '10 MR-T, it is a little disappointing, but I'm learning to live with it and adjust accordingly. I honestly think it's noticeable, only because in a manual tranny with a clutch pedal, you are taking the same amount of time to engange the clutch and put the car in gear, the difference is you are actually doing the work, so it seems seamless to you.
If you have not drove the MR for at least 3,000 miles you do not have any idea what its truly like. I Have 13,000 miles on mine now and I went from liking it, then hating it , now I love it more then anything. I bet with guys bouncing in and out from the magazine they never truly understand it. Yes on the track it is tenacious (I did NJMP Lightening course). Also There is no lag off the line. Its takes a while to figure all this out. Yes if you drive in the "normal" default mode you will pull your hair out. Even on auto "sport" mode it hesitates when down shifting at a stop. I prefer to shift with the stick in manual mode, it feels like a manual but the shifting is unmatched, in manual it will not shift on its own you will hit the rev limiter. For me the paddles are to unattached but to each his own. I have played around with cars of equal power that I pulled ahead only when he shifted, as the SST does not blink. Many guys have taken the MR over 400 whp , but if you want more then yes I would even suggest a GSR. I have 305 whp 320 wtq just a drop-in and Iveytune.
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I agree with the lag on the MR, but on the other hand it isn't as bad as they say. To me it feels like the boost has to built up before the car moves, but when it moves it is gone
. Even with this lag issue according to my AP, I am getting 4.8s from a stop to 60.
. Even with this lag issue according to my AP, I am getting 4.8s from a stop to 60.
That's a load of crap. It doesn't get progressively worse. Whoever wrote that is a complete moron. It's always the same, and always has been. The lag is something you get used to, and learn how to control. It's like driving a new style of manual. Sure, it could be better by default, but it's tolerable, especially once you drive the car more often. I've driven several SST Lancers, and they are all identical in hesitation.
Those morons didn't even get out of automatic mode to really drive the car like the automated-manual it is.
Those morons didn't even get out of automatic mode to really drive the car like the automated-manual it is.
every dual clutch driver i've ever seen has crazily defended their automated manual every time someone calls it an automatic (except for most of you evo guys
), ESPECIALLY m3 dct drivers.. in the end, it's a transmission that automatically shifts for you - an automatic transmission. just not the traditional torque converter.it lags, so what.. they all do, and doesn't the improvements in the ratios greatly improve the acceleration in the '10 models?
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