Don't know why everyone is getting worked up. You can say that a loss is a loss, but a drag racer being within a 10th of a second of a win vs a National's Champion...

Saying that with similar modifications, a good Evo driver can hang with a Nationals champion in an STI is saying a lot.

I would have been more interested to see Evoluitonm vs 1addicts.

 

Clearly the two of you came in here just looking for attention so I guess I'll give you just a little. Personally, I wouldn't be saying my car "rocked" if the best I could muster is a 13.6 in the 1/4 . That Sti got annihilated in the 1/4 and had Josh had a little more AutoX experience I'm sure he could have easily whipped him in the other two events as well. This contest came down to who the more experienced driver was, not who had the better car. Personally, I'd take Josh's Evo over that Sti all day, every day!!!

 

I never had a problem with my IX MR or my X SE understeering at all. The STi I test drove did though. STi's are known for understeering. It's what they do, it's how they roll. Just own the understeer. Don't let it own you.

 

That's exactly what I was thinking when I registered for an account here.

Almost nine years ago.

The STi was boosting less than stock at the drag strip:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=703

James has launched off a tree quite a bit... just not at a drag strip.

3 seconds on an autox course is not something someone makes up with "a little more autox experience".

... and like I said it's called forum wars, not consumer report wars, or robot driver wars. Each forum had an opportunity to find a driver.

 

Yes that's true and we picked a good driver for the show...until they changed the format. The original schedule was drag (which Josh has tons of experience in), Road Course (which Josh also does all the time as well), and a 0-100-0 test (he probably has never done this but I'm sure he could have gotten it too). Those were the events that were scheduled to be run and what Josh was prepared for. It wasn't until the week of the event that the format was changed to drag, autoX, slalom (at least as far as I know). In all fairness, we had a GOOD driver for the original format.

 

To shed a little light on the decision process...

Not to take away from the driver that represented us (he did a great job), but as a site, we really didn't put much effort into selecting a driver. We asked if anyone was interested, selected an individual, an argument broke out, and we kind of let the situation sort itself out.

I honestly hope we don't participate any more. It usually causes drama when selecting someone, and as mods and a community, we have more important things to argue about.

That was actually what some of the argument was about, selecting a drag racer and road course driver. This is the base of why the driver was changed a few times.

The fact that they changed it, makes it unfair imo, and even more unprofessional. I'm merely stating my opinion has someone that has contributed a great deal to this community. I don't want to see us divided again for something so flimsy.

 

1.4 seconds is not something somebody makes up in the 1/4 mile with an extra 3 psi!! I've seen enough new STIs at the track to know that even at stock boost levels he still wouldn't have broken 13. Sorry, but I'm not buying your buddy's excuses.

 

point is the evo X lost. suck it up and take it like a man.

Maybe next time the Evo will be a more balanced car. And 3 seconds on an auto-x course is a LIFETIME.

 

after watching the video for a second time, this time with sound, I think Josh did an excellent job. for someone who NEVER did an autox/slalom he stood his ground well against a driver who apparently has won a national championship (i don't know if that is true, just repeating what I've read).

anyone who's autox'ed before will tell you there is a HUGE, HUGE learning curve to the sport. HPDE/TT/Road racing doesn't really carry over to autox. putting someone with ZERO experience against someone who has the talent to win a national event is worse than bringing a knife to a gun fight... much worse. All things considered, losing by only a few seconds on a 40sec course to a nat champion is very respectable.

Josh, you should hold you head high because WE picked you based on what WE were told the race was going to be about and you did an excellent job with what you had to work with. the producers of the show are the ones who let us down by changing the game up at the last minute.

A loss is still as loss. Having said that, we learned that next time we need to send a 'pro' driver in, because appartently you can't trust the people who put the event together to stick to their word.

Additionally I was more than suprised that SW got beat out by the viper. I never would have predicted that. That dude can drive his *** off, but mechanical problems (clutch slipping) were ultimately his downfall. Just goes to show you on any given sunday...

 

If 3 seconds on an Auto-X is a LIFETIME then 1.4 seconds on drag strip is about 10 LIFETIMES!!! Furthermore some of you, along with the Forum Wars producers, need to go back and check your 2nd grade math. The official times for the auto-x were 43.115 aned 40.961 making the actual difference less than a 2.2 seconds. It's always nice to exaggerate things and make them look worse than they are though.

As far as taking it like a man goes. Talk to your Subby friend. The Evo lost the contest and nobody is denying that. But last I checked Josh hadn't made a single excuse for why he lost any of the events and James has done nothing but make excuses, and whine and cry on NASIOC about why he got spanked in the 1/4!

 

For people saying 3 seconds (which is really 2.2, idiots) is a ZOMFGLIFETIME on an Auto-X course, apparently you don't remember back to when you were novices. I picked up a difference of 8 seconds my first Auto-X event from the first run to the 6th run. I'm sure with some practice, Josh could have EASILY picked up that 2.2 seconds.

I would like to know if either driver got any practice runs before the competition, and if so, how many?

 

I don't know why everyone's butthurt at losing. It's apparent that it never will be an even battle for any side until it does become robot driver wars...

Just a quick thought, Butt Dyno, being that you are a mod on Nasioc and AutoX'd your WRX for several years and have now switched, your opinion for me would ultimately settle the debate. Given equal drivers, who would have taken that? Personally if it were an 8 or a 9, it's hands down the Evo...

 

"original format":
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/8855958-post1.html
So the autocross was not in any way a format change. The only change was doing the slalom instead of 0-100-0. The complaining about how the Evo driver was a road course guy and not an autox guy is bogus... they made it clear from the first post what it was going to be.

And a few folks have complained that the slalom is too similar to autocross. Well, 0-100-0 is just drag racing with braking at the end. And between two similar weight/weight distribution cars, braking is pretty much just a contest of who brought stickier tires...

I agree and I've said as much. But it certainly would have been closer than 1.4 seconds if the car was running right.

It depends

I bought the Evo (IX) for STU where it competes directly against the STi with similar mods. I think the cars are very close. I've driven full prep STU STis and they are quite fast and a lot of fun - I think the IX is just slightly better. Won't know for sure until I get mine fully sorted.

I don't know what is really done to the two cars in the video. It sounds like they had similar stuff done. IMHO, the X was a pretty big departure from the IX, but the '11 STi isn't that big a departure from, say, the '06 STi. It's only a little heavier (about 100 lbs) but also makes a little more power. The Evo X GSR is something like 300 lbs heavier than an IX GSR and makes similar power, with less lag. That said, the longer the straights, the less the weight matters. With a robot driver and similar mods to both cars I think it's going to end up very close. Remember that the '08 STi and the Evo X FQ 360 (?) turned very similar times around the Top Gear track with the '08 being a hair faster.

The whole thing is kinda silly. Both cars are great and we all like them for similar reasons. I think people lose sight of that sometimes

 

Regardless of the wording chosen, the point still stands we went through a few drivers because of bickering, and imo, at a point as a community didn't care about it.

 

Sorry man, but a slalom race and 0-100-0 contest are two entirely different events.

The bottomline is that the Evo lost. We got that. Congrats to James and the NASIOC crew on the victory!! The issue with the whole thing is that regardless of who won or lost, "The Forum Wars" DID NOT stick to their original format of what they said this would be. That my friend is a bad business practice no matter what business your in! Personally, I'd be pretty ticked off if I got my car all prepped for going to my local drag strip this weekend and then when I got there they tell me they're doing slalom races all day It has nothing to do with the races themselves and everything to do with that fact that they misinformed me about what was going on.