R&T Magazine: Rallying Roots: STI vs. Evo - Comparison Test
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While the test is properly done, I don't think it was fair. The 2011 STi is just a single/base model. No SE or anything while the Evo was an SE model. What about GSRs against the new STi? Personally, I think using the GSR would be a more proper test with the 5 speed shifter and weight.
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I agree with heavyD. The SST transmission is just as much of the car as anything else. It's part of what makes it an Evo. The fact that they gave them the SST kinda scared me because it's heavier than the GSR and has other options in the car that help weigh it down. It does shift faster though. Regardless, unless there is some special advanatge to having a higher model of the STI that is shown faster than the lower model STI, then I see no argument whether they had a higher priced option STI to test.
Lovethat the sst evo was proven nationally on a head to head contest!
Why isn't it fair? Most people here would conclude the 5-Speed is slightly faster or nearly identical than the TC-SST equipped EVO X because it's a lighter car and the torque restraints programmed in to SST equipped cars. Also it's not Mitsubishi's fault that Subaru doesn't have an available dual clutch transmission with the STI.
Subaru has been pretty happy making $$$$ by selling the same car since 04 over and over to Subie fanboys. They add a new front end, fender flare, or spoiler and walla; new STI and Subie owners gladly trade in their current STI for the new one despite it being essentially the same car. I'm not blaming Subaru because they know they can easily pull the wool over the eyes of their fans and buyers but if you really want fair the 2011 STI should be compared to a 2006 IX as they are at the same level of technology.
Subaru has been pretty happy making $$$$ by selling the same car since 04 over and over to Subie fanboys. They add a new front end, fender flare, or spoiler and walla; new STI and Subie owners gladly trade in their current STI for the new one despite it being essentially the same car. I'm not blaming Subaru because they know they can easily pull the wool over the eyes of their fans and buyers but if you really want fair the 2011 STI should be compared to a 2006 IX as they are at the same level of technology.
Even then, I'm just going to guess and say the GSR will still be 1 sec faster than the STi on the same course.
A dual clutch/SST tranny, or paddle shift even, will be faster than a manual in any performance setting. There's a why every top level of motorsports uses paddle shifters where allowed. Not having to take your hands off the wheel will make you faster.
A lot of Subie guys are just hard headed. For me, I'll drive whatever car is better, and that happens to be the Evo out of the two
Never in my life did I see myself getting a Mitsu, but performance is performance. No arguing that. Though... the Subie guys try for some reason....
A lot of Subie guys are just hard headed. For me, I'll drive whatever car is better, and that happens to be the Evo out of the two
Never in my life did I see myself getting a Mitsu, but performance is performance. No arguing that. Though... the Subie guys try for some reason....
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And if that Road & Track article wasn't enough:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html
lol all these articles makes me want to go and get an SE... they only have two in black left around my area going for 29 and 30k each (new)
but we're one-two more years away from a new Evo so I'm still undecided
Road & Track Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Motor Trend Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Car and Driver Lightning Lap = Evo SE 3 seconds faster then STi at their test track.
do I pull the plug? do I wait? oh decisions!
but we're one-two more years away from a new Evo so I'm still undecided
Road & Track Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Motor Trend Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Car and Driver Lightning Lap = Evo SE 3 seconds faster then STi at their test track.
do I pull the plug? do I wait? oh decisions!
lol all these articles makes me want to go and get an SE... they only have two in black left around my area going for 29 and 30k each (new)
but we're one-two more years away from a new Evo so I'm still undecided
Road & Track Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Motor Trend Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Car and Driver Lightning Lap = Evo SE 3 seconds faster then STi at their test track.
do I pull the plug? do I wait? oh decisions!
but we're one-two more years away from a new Evo so I'm still undecided
Road & Track Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Motor Trend Article = Evo SE Owns STi
Car and Driver Lightning Lap = Evo SE 3 seconds faster then STi at their test track.
do I pull the plug? do I wait? oh decisions!Also all gloves off as soon as you thinking about upgrade. SO the Magazine test are strictly for bone stock cars. Even tires can make a change on that. Dont hang too much on the magazine results between these two.
If comes down for me the DD and light track use MR hands down /with minor mods and tune. Everything above is base GSR territory.
Rob
depends what you want from a car. For DD i think the STi is still better if you like MT, if not then SE.
Also all gloves off as soon as you thinking about upgrade. SO the Magazine test are strictly for bone stock cars. Even tires can make a change on that. Dont hang too much on the magazine results between these two.
If comes down for me the DD and light track use MR hands down /with minor mods and tune. Everything above is base GSR territory.
Rob
Also all gloves off as soon as you thinking about upgrade. SO the Magazine test are strictly for bone stock cars. Even tires can make a change on that. Dont hang too much on the magazine results between these two.
If comes down for me the DD and light track use MR hands down /with minor mods and tune. Everything above is base GSR territory.
Rob
I wouldn't mind having an STi... but I would only as a second car... I'm madly biased towards the Evo, always been...
besides, at my age I really don't give a crap about comfort lol... my wife's '11 Eclipse GS-Sport is mad comfortable already, enough for those days when we want to go out and cruise and take it easy and slow (slow... yes pun intended lol for that Eclipse cow 
)
yeah sometimes I stop and think "you know what, screw these magazines... I don't think I really want to buy another car with the same tranny... I already have a TC-SST and I know its limitations... I want a 5spd GSR..." hehe
I wouldn't mind having an STi... but I would only as a second car... I'm madly biased towards the Evo, always been... besides, at my age I really don't give a crap about comfort lol... my wife's '11 Eclipse GS-Sport is mad comfortable already, enough for those days when we want to go out and cruise and take it easy and slow (slow... yes pun intended lol for that Eclipse cow )
I wouldn't mind having an STi... but I would only as a second car... I'm madly biased towards the Evo, always been...
besides, at my age I really don't give a crap about comfort lol... my wife's '11 Eclipse GS-Sport is mad comfortable already, enough for those days when we want to go out and cruise and take it easy and slow (slow... yes pun intended lol for that Eclipse cow )
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