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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:11 AM
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It's obvious you're in defense mode for the Evo. Have you owned a late model BMW?
It's like to know what's so amazing about BMW's features and technology, too.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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It's like to know what's so amazing about BMW's features and technology, too.
Problem is, I never used the word amazing. Feature-rich can mean a lot more functionality to mere bells and whistles.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Diversion
Problem is, I never used the word amazing.
Forgive me. You said, "...just blow the Evo's features out of the water."

Feature-rich can mean a lot more functionality to mere bells and whistles.
What does it actually mean per your comment?
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Diversion
It's obvious you're in defense mode for the Evo. Have you owned a late model BMW?
I was actually genuinely curious about which features you thought "blew the Evo out of the water". If you don't want to answer the question just say so. Don't put words in my mouth.

And if you are going to make a statement like that, you should be prepared to answer it with something other then "stop being so defensive about your Evos"
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FJF
Forgive me. You said, "...just blow the Evo's features out of the water."



What does it actually mean per your comment?
It means BMW's refinement to their vehicles as a whole its on another level compared to Mitsu.

That being said, you can pick up a used 335i between 07-09 for an absolute steal and have a car that's much more refined as a whole than you get in an Evo.

And stock for stock, the 335i with N54 engine should outpace the Evo from a roll (where most spirited driving occurs).

A big IF you're the type of person that values a car as a whole, I would expect the 335i to be a better choice than the Evo. If you want singular performance from handling, the Evo is the better choice.

As other people said, a chip alone for $250 on the N54 can put you at or over 400 crank horsepower.

So before you scream BMW fan-boy, keep in mind, I do in fact own an Evo X as well.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:27 AM
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It means BMW's refinement to their vehicles as a whole its on another level compared to Mitsu.

That being said, you can pick up a used 335i between 07-09 for an absolute steal and have a car that's much more refined as a whole than you get in an Evo.

And stock for stock, the 335i with N54 engine should outpace the Evo from a roll (where most spirited driving occurs).

A big IF you're the type of person that values a car as a whole, I would expect the 335i to be a better choice than the Evo. If you want singular performance from handling, the Evo is the better choice.

As other people said, a chip alone for $250 on the N54 can put you at or over 400 crank horsepower.

So before you scream BMW fan-boy, keep in mind, I do in fact own an Evo X as well.
You still haven't answered the question. That's fine.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:29 AM
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I was actually genuinely curious about which features you thought "blew the Evo out of the water". If you don't want to answer the question just say so. Don't put words in my mouth.

And if you are going to make a statement like that, you should be prepared to answer it with something other then "stop being so defensive about your Evos"
It really looked like you were getting defensive for the Evo because I preferenced the BMW for most of my driving.

If you want to discuss actual features:

I enjoy things like the auto-rain sensing wipers (Yes you can get this in the MR, but I don't want to be forced to buy an automatic just to earn this feature).

Rear-A/C vents in the BMW, a nice luxury to my rear seat passengers.

Auto-dimming rear view mirrors (the interior mirror as well as the external mirrors) on the BMW.

A much better stock radio in the BMW even compared to the Rockford in the Evo.

Everything is illuminated (buttons everywhere) inside the BMW.. This is just personal preference but I like it.

Rear map lights, again nice reading lights for my passengers in the BMW.

Just to name a few..

I can list an extreme amount of features I enjoy..
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Diversion
It means BMW's refinement to their vehicles as a whole its on another level compared to Mitsu.

That being said, you can pick up a used 335i between 07-09 for an absolute steal and have a car that's much more refined as a whole than you get in an Evo.

And stock for stock, the 335i with N54 engine should outpace the Evo from a roll (where most spirited driving occurs).

A big IF you're the type of person that values a car as a whole, I would expect the 335i to be a better choice than the Evo. If you want singular performance from handling, the Evo is the better choice.

As other people said, a chip alone for $250 on the N54 can put you at or over 400 crank horsepower.

So before you scream BMW fan-boy, keep in mind, I do in fact own an Evo X as well.
In general, refinement is not the same as features and technology. A C-Class has better refinement then the 3-series but I wouldn't make the statement that C-Class "features and technology" blow the BMW out of the water.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by highlyevolved
In general, refinement is not the same as features and technology. A C-Class has better refinement then the 3-series but I wouldn't make the statement that C-Class "features and technology" blow the BMW out of the water.
I didn't intend to say refinement = feature-rich. But refinement should be involved as another item to consider if you're an adult car enthusiast.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Diversion
It really looked like you were getting defensive for the Evo because I preferenced the BMW for most of my driving.

If you want to discuss actual features:

I enjoy things like the auto-rain sensing wipers (Yes you can get this in the MR, but I don't want to be forced to buy an automatic just to earn this feature).

Rear-A/C vents in the BMW, a nice luxury to my rear seat passengers.

Auto-dimming rear view mirrors (the interior mirror as well as the external mirrors) on the BMW.

A much better stock radio in the BMW even compared to the Rockford in the Evo.

Everything is illuminated (buttons everywhere) inside the BMW.. This is just personal preference but I like it.

Rear map lights, again nice reading lights for my passengers in the BMW.

Just to name a few..

I can list an extreme amount of features I enjoy..
By the same token, a Lincoln Town Car is the best option.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:37 AM
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By the same token, a Lincoln Town Car is the best option.
Sure, if you have not a care about a sporty exterior/interior design and zero power/speed requirements..

I am pretty sure we're not talking about what car has the most features.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:39 AM
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Sure, if you have not a care about a sporty exterior/interior design and zero power/speed requirements..

I am pretty sure we're not talking about what car has the most features.
Excuse me for stating the brutally obvious, this is a high-performance car forum. When folks discuss features, the automatic assumption revolves around those same features doing something to help the actual mission of an automobile. What you're describing, is in essence, a choice in furniture.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FJF
Forgive me. You said, "...just blow the Evo's features out of the water."



What does it actually mean per your comment?
I can help.
I can't stand to see two of my friends (Felix and Jay) arguing.

I've had both cars too, and I definitely agree with the feature-rich comment. Of course new, you paid for those features, but the beauty of the depreciating 355i is that all those options don't mean a hill of beans on used car values.

"features" I miss from my 2007 335i
-A factory stereo that is actually awesome
-TPMS that isn't just an idiot light, the system identifies the trouble tire
-Adjustable power seats
-Seat heaters
-Sound deadening that rivals a Pharoah's tomb
-Dual climate zones
-Exterior safety lighting, easier to see getting in at night
-Universal garage door opener
-Auto dimming mirrors
-DI and way better fuel economy
-BMW assist and a Bluetooth system that doesn't suck

Some of that stuff is standard stock, some is included in sport/premium packages. You can get a highly optioned 2007 335i with decent mileage for mid 20s. The 335i fails at racecar, but the Evo fails at nice daily driver. They definitely don't check the same boxes. I missed the Evo most when away from it, hence why I'm back in one.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FJF
Excuse me for stating the brutally obvious, this is a high-performance car forum. When folks discuss features, the automatic assumption revolves around those same features doing something to help the actual mission of an automobile. What you're describing, is in essence, a choice in furniture.
No, it looks like when someone talks features, your personal automatic response might be "that person must want a Lincoln Town car" but there is such thing as feature-rich and performance.

Yes, I must be talking about the next dining room set I'd like to have. It must have fast speed potential, features and be well refined. Yes, your analogy is totally working for you.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:47 AM
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I can help.
I can't stand to see two of my friends (Felix and Jay) arguing.

I've had both cars too, and I definitely agree with the feature-rich comment. Of course new, you paid for those features, but the beauty of the depreciating 355i is that all those options don't mean a hill of beans on used car values.

"features" I miss from my 2007 335i
-A factory stereo that is actually awesome
-TPMS that isn't just an idiot light, the system identifies the trouble tire
-Adjustable power seats
-Seat heaters
-Sound deadening that rivals a Pharoah's tomb
-Dual climate zones
-Exterior safety lighting, easier to see getting in at night
-Universal garage door opener
-Auto dimming mirrors
-DI and way better fuel economy
-BMW assist and a Bluetooth system that doesn't suck

Some of that stuff is standard stock, some is included in sport/premium packages. You can get a highly optioned 2007 335i with decent mileage for mid 20s. The 335i fails at racecar, but the Evo fails at nice daily driver. They definitely don't check the same boxes. I missed the Evo most when away from it, hence why I'm back in one.
/salute

I'll stand down, lol.
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