This all stems from an earlier thread:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...012-trade.html
He stated: Which I called BS on, I walk on 335's all day long. He found it impossible to believe that my Ralliart pulls on his 'beloved' 335, which brings us to this thread.
FACTS:
BMW's have much nicer interiors
BMW's have more bells and whistles
BMW's are a status symbol
BMW's are NOT the end-all-be-all performance machine that pretend to be.

As I've always stated from day one, if having a smoother riding luxury filled cabin is worth the price disparity to you, that's great. Just know that is the REAL reason you are paying the price premium, not some imaginary performance metric.

 

Well this thread has rapidly degraded into nonsense. Dyno numbers, Nurburgring lap times, insults flying. Doesn't anyone on internet forums actually drive anymore?

By the way, the "Evo X Nurburgring lap time" is completely fake. There is no source or video for that time other then a Wikipedia article edit. If you guys want to pursue the time honored tradition of internet car forum magazine racing, try out the 2011 Lightning Lap times:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8

64 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
65 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11

So the BMW is actually 1/10th of a second quicker. What does that tell you about how these cars actually drive? Absolutely nothing.

 

hmmm.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/sho...t=54959&page=4

ha ha ha,

 

it does if you know the ring , the BMW in the looooong up hill straights make up a lots of time where the evo start fading. Hence the 3 series biturbo power in up hill and high speed straight vs the nimble but less power full version of sedan. With a almost two third of the engine, and with one less turbo. Surprising? yes the BMW should be much faster based on pure numbers. But its not, why? because where the Evo is fast the BMW is slower. And that is actually the lower speed more handling oriented part of the track.
Just check out the average speed at the Ring and you will see why easy to stump the Evo in stock form in any high speed oriented track.

I say that is what we looking for, since adding power is MUCH more easy then changing nimbleness of the car.
Unless of course you are a drag racer , actually a wanna be, since if you look into this cars for drag racing purpose , you are already lost.

 

true dat! lol

 

ah, i didn't realize you were 'that guy' the ralliart owning evo fan boy who street races bmw's in traffic, without the bmw drivers knowing you're racing them, all because you imagine that they're looking down on you and you needed to prove yourself. and since you win your imaginary street race, the ralliart must perform better, establishing you as an authority on the subject.

anyway, nothing 'started' in that other thread that got us here. I'm just trying to give solid advice to someone who asked, while dispelling false statements made by others.... like I'm about to do with you i like how you list 'BMW's are a status symbol' under facts. That says a lot about your perception. I also like how you linked a thread where you started this same argument, and where I stated that I paid less for my 335 than I paid for my evo, yet here you state that I'm paying a premium for the BMW. I'm actually paying a premium for the evo. Equally used 335i's and used Evo X's are the same price! Any notion of financial status is imaginary. And the end-all-be-all performance machine statement also applies to the evo =/ You seem to forget the I'm an evo owner who happens to also own a 335, so I think i'm in a pretty good position to compare the two fairly, not just some bmw fanboy. I digress....

either way, I agree with everything Rob's said. Trying to build either of these cars for high HP and 1/4 mile times is pointless. Nothing new here, but unfortunately most owners of both cars who modify them seem to think otherwise. I didn't mean to make it a focal point of the thread, just to dispel the false statements made that 335's cost more to modify. Not sure why a few people are butt hurt about that, but whatever. haters gonna hate

I'm not a fan of ring time comparisons because everyone cheats and there's no benchmark to compare things to. What some race prepped cars with different drivers did means nothing when shopping for a DD. I mean the evo time quoted is faster than the GM sanctioned test for the CTS-V by several seconds! We know the CTS-V test was legit, as GM let other manufacturers examine the car at the track, and they recorded and posted the entire lap. If you think that was a stock evo, then you live in a dream world. The fact that the AMS name is attached to the test should tell you all you need to know.

While the OP hasn't mentioned any ambitions to get into any track racing or autox, if that's something that would interest you, i say go for the evo. without peak power being the goal, the evo responds so well to light modifications that are usually within the limits of racing regulations to keep you in a class where you can be competitive. Besides engine tuning, the bmw is pretty limited here. You can add some M suspension bits, but it's not going to get you nearly as far. The evo's AWD system just gives it soooo much more grip! There are bad things to be said about learning to drive road courses at speed in a car with so much grip and a fancy awd system that masks your mistakes, but until you start getting pretty good at it, it wont matter much.

 

Not sure if anyone else has posted already, but a few years ago Insideline published an excellent comparison between the Evo X MR-T and 335i. Overall, a very thoughtful comparison that covers just about all of the major differences between the two that a potential buyer would likely consider. Perhaps most telling is the comparison between the steering feel of each. The Evo X communicates much more information to the driver. 335i is more insulated, filters out a bit more of the road to take the edge off, but is somehow just as effective. I found the Evo X too hard to resist, but I don't think I would have been dissatisfied with the 335i (sedan or coupe).

http://www.insideline.com/mitsubishi...r-touring.html

More fodder for the bench racers:

Winding Road Comparison of Evo X MR-T and Audi S4

http://magazine.windingroad.com/issue/56/


C&D - Best Handling Car Under $40K

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ni-jcw-feature


Lastly, I would take one-off, single lap comparisons with a grain of salt. Between the Evo X and 335, the faster car around a track or on a mountain pass will be the one with the faster driver. "Status" aside, some might actually prefer the E9x 328i with 6M to the 335i, since the 328i weighs a bit less, has the excellent power characteristics of that last-of-its-kind NA 3.0, and lower torque makes the lack of LSD less of a liability.

 

or they got beat by an evo

 

i disagree. the same driver same day bone stock cars, the evo would win a track day ( unless its a really high speed track) or a mountain drive.

 

Totally agree with you. The point I was trying to make (and I think I did a bad job of it), is just the obvious point that driver skill/experience counts for a lot around a road course or even a mountain pass. You're right, same driver, same day, bone stock, I'll take the Evo.

 

Still feel the need to personally vindicate yourself, ehhh. Your ever excuse is "well I didn't pay that price", as though it's justification for someone else contemplating the car. Just for once, stop being so defensive, subjective and continually trying to justify your actions; try think from the objective point of view of someone contemplating their options.

Look at that, the delusion continues to pervade your every thought
Come back to reality and stop making things up. None of that was every said, or implied. I told you exactly what the situation was/is/continues to be.

 

I think what you should do is go out and drive both cars, because I've read this entire thread and the only thing I get from it is opinions. I've heard some people say Evo X's are driver cars and most track people would disagree and tell you that the car drives itself. I guarantee it's going to be harder to drive a RWD car than an AWD one with lots of gadgets but this is my opinion.

One person said the Nav in the Mitsu is better and I personally think the Evo X's Nav has been the worst that I've ever had to deal with (I know plenty who will agree). I own a 2011 BMW M3 and a 2006 Evo IX MR and had an Evo X GSR that I sold because I didn't like it. When it comes down to it though, none of our opinions matter. You need to go out and get some seat time and that will tell you which drive is better for you.

We all connect to cars differently and there's a specific combination of attributes in a car that will tickle your fancy; whether it's sound, interior fit and finish, acceleration, etc. The important thing is that the car makes you happy and the enthusiast part that ties us together is appreciating cars as a whole and not thinking of them as an appliance. When you find a car that does it for you, buy it. Otherwise you're no better than someone buying a BMW for it's badge when you need the approval of an entire forum to justify your purchase. Good luck.

 

i have many many thing i strongly disagree, your track guys opinion about being not a driver car. Same with the nav system. I do believe the BMW has one of the worst Nav etc control system out there, based on my personal experience. If you don't believe me that is fine just go with a customer feedback...
Mitsubishi finished a head of the Germans in that segment with they new Nav system they have in the new platform.
In two months we couldn't find out many thing in the new 2011 BMW 3 series nav system. nevermind the fact the instruction signs and speech is very confusing and the exit warnings came late or not even there. I am not even talking about many roads doesnt even exist in the Eu version.
And i can go on and on with they entertainment system...
took me 2 minutes to search paste and copy these below...
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...df/2008237.pdf
about the BMW:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/08/...drivers-wrong/
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/arc.../t-462324.html


about the track comment, there ( at least i dont know or heard) not one serious track guy would say the Evo is not a driver car. I dont even know what is really the "true driver" means anyway...
Besides I heard this comment only by those who usually stands next to the track and not on it. I never heard ANY fellow racers they would call the evo as not a driver car. FACT it is totally the opposite.
and so on.

Sorry if i came out strong but these point had to be mentioned, since they are hardly even close to my experience.

 

If you're talking about iDrive then it's not for everyone. I figured out my iDrive system rather quickly. My maps aren't outdated and not once have I been misguided so all of these things that you speak of don't exist with my experience.

I'm not talking about lap times with the Evo and when a person says "drivers" car it usually pertains to it's difficulty and how much attention to detail is required. It's easier to drive an Evo than it is an E92 M3. It's easier to drive a Nissan GT-R than it is an Audi R8. It's easy to drive a GT3RS than it is a Ferrari 458. I'm going to tell you that the Ferrari is more of a "DRIVERS" car than an Evo. I'm excluding price and putting emphasis purely on the DRIVE of each car. This is from my experience.

My exit warnings are on time, in fact I found that the Mitsu's system misguided me more. The actual NAV was laggy and once I had the system freeze up on me. I'm no fanboy and the Evo does handle well, but I'm just tired of people bashing cars based on what they've read or seen. Coming from someone who has owned and driven both, the BMW is hands down the better choice for all around driving. However he wants a 335xi so it's not in the same league. He may want to consider a 335is or something along the lines.

 

BTW you're trying to tell me about MY2011 and pulling articles from mid 2010 and 2008. This makes no sense to me. I'd also like to mention that I just did a track day with an Evo and M3; the Evo was fairly stock (exhaust, intake, tune, coilovers) and was slower than the M3 with suspension and exhaust by 2 seconds with the same driver.