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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 06:21 AM
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It is almost like the car was designed to be modified. Maybe there are high level meetings where Mitsu and boost gauge manufacturers are like, "we won't put a boost gauge in if you promise to make a big aftermarket boost gauge market." It sounds silly but it may be something like that.

I agree with the previous post that it would have been nice to have a place to put the gauge in, kinda like you snap out the oem one and put in an aftermarket one.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 06:48 AM
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My Saturn Sky is accurate to 23-24 PSI. It only reads 255kpa, but the ECU can go higher, just the display can't.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 07:24 AM
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im more concerned y they didn't have a stock wideband. An AP can read vac/boost, but no wideband. Hell a stock n/a mustang has them.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 07:33 AM
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Cuz Mitsu is knows we're all going 2 end up buying aftermarket anyhow? :\
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kendogg
Why do you think Mitsu did not include an OEM boost gauge? They could have atleast gave us a digital one in the display setting where it shows your temp/fuel.

Even the Mazda speed3 has a digital boost gauge. So does that Fiat Abarth. Does Mitsu not want us to know what boost we are getting? Or maybe they want us to put on our own boost gauge and void the warranty. I just dont understand why they wouldnt put a boost gauge in it. Like I said, I can understand not putting a physical guage. But atleast a digital one on the display with the option to see/not see it.
Adding a boost gauge does not void a warranty. Mitsu will not warranty a boost gauge you add or diagnose why your boost gauge might not work for free, but that's not the same thing at all.

Just a theory...I'm thinking Mitsu didn't want the occasional turbo owning passenger in the car to get boost-jealousy about seeing the factory Evo nail 23psi on a hard pull :-)
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlade
Adding a boost gauge does not void a warranty. Mitsu will not warranty a boost gauge you add or diagnose why your boost gauge might not work for free, but that's not the same thing at all.

Just a theory...I'm thinking Mitsu didn't want the occasional turbo owning passenger in the car to get boost-jealousy about seeing the factory Evo nail 23psi on a hard pull :-)
"Adding a boost gauge does not void a warranty."

I think this varies depending on the dealership you take it to. Mitsu really does do whatever they can to save themselves warranty repair. And so do the dealerships because when they perform warranty work they get paid by Mitsu. But my understanding is Mitsu pays them a set amount depending on the job no matter how long it takes them. So alot of the times the dealerships may loose money on a warranty repair job. Im sure Mitsu gives the dealership less money for the same job compared to what the dealership would have charged the owner.

My 08 Spyder started forming holes in the top. This was do to a design flaw of the top in the 07-09 models and a TSB was put out about it. Mitsu even changed the top after 09 for this reason. Many people had the top replaced under warranty. This local dealership in my area (Gillman San Antonio) denied my warranty work at first. I had to jump through hoops with Mitsu to get them to honor the warranty.

I'm sure anytime someone takes an Evo in for warranty work they give it a good look around in efforts to void the warranty. Its always rumored what does and does not void a warranty. Boost gauge? Rims? Body kit?

Who's to say? The dealership and Mitsu. They make the call. I have never seen anything in writing from Mitsu stating what does or does not void a warranty. It always varies. One dealership my look at your aftermarket boost gauge and not think anything of it. Another might see it and deny you on the spot and tell you to take it up with Mitsu. Again this will always vary depending on your area and your dealerships around you. But trust me, they can/will deny you. My Spyder was and still is completely stock. All the way down to my GS rims. But Gillman San Antonio denied my top replacement. They also denied replacing the convertable seals after they mutalated my original ones.

Easy solution IMO is to offer me an OEM boost gauge package and keep my mind at ease while under warranty. I havent had the greatest luck with Mitsu quality so I will be keeping my Evo stock until out of warranty coverage. Even have a stock car I have personally gone through warranty hell with Mitsu. I will not give them any aftermarket reason to deny me if warranty work is needed in the future. Just wish they would have given me a boost gauge. Or I guess put in writing that adding a boost gauge or other components will NOT void warranty.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jdmEviL8
i bet the stock boost gauge would have only gone to 20 psi so we'd all end up swapping it out anyway
Exactly!


Originally Posted by Kendogg
Ok. Why not make an OEM accurate boost gauge that goes over 20 psi?
Money!!! It all comes down to cost. And if it does come down to cost, do you really think Mitsu would intall a really nice one....heck no! It would be cheap.

Then what if it was ugly or wasn't accurate. Then we'd all be complaining about that. And most people who modify will be put their own in anyway since it may not read high enough or accuarate enough.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kendogg
"Adding a boost gauge does not void a warranty."

I think this varies depending on the dealership you take it to. Mitsu really does do whatever they can to save themselves warranty repair. And so do the dealerships because when they perform warranty work they get paid by Mitsu. But my understanding is Mitsu pays them a set amount depending on the job no matter how long it takes them. So alot of the times the dealerships may loose money on a warranty repair job. Im sure Mitsu gives the dealership less money for the same job compared to what the dealership would have charged the owner.

My 08 Spyder started forming holes in the top. This was do to a design flaw of the top in the 07-09 models and a TSB was put out about it. Mitsu even changed the top after 09 for this reason. Many people had the top replaced under warranty. This local dealership in my area (Gillman San Antonio) denied my warranty work at first. I had to jump through hoops with Mitsu to get them to honor the warranty.

I'm sure anytime someone takes an Evo in for warranty work they give it a good look around in efforts to void the warranty. Its always rumored what does and does not void a warranty. Boost gauge? Rims? Body kit?

Who's to say? The dealership and Mitsu. They make the call. I have never seen anything in writing from Mitsu stating what does or does not void a warranty. It always varies. One dealership my look at your aftermarket boost gauge and not think anything of it. Another might see it and deny you on the spot and tell you to take it up with Mitsu. Again this will always vary depending on your area and your dealerships around you. But trust me, they can/will deny you. My Spyder was and still is completely stock. All the way down to my GS rims. But Gillman San Antonio denied my top replacement. They also denied replacing the convertable seals after they mutalated my original ones.

Easy solution IMO is to offer me an OEM boost gauge package and keep my mind at ease while under warranty. I havent had the greatest luck with Mitsu quality so I will be keeping my Evo stock until out of warranty coverage. Even have a stock car I have personally gone through warranty hell with Mitsu. I will not give them any aftermarket reason to deny me if warranty work is needed in the future. Just wish they would have given me a boost gauge. Or I guess put in writing that adding a boost gauge or other components will NOT void warranty.

If Mitsu deny's your warranty because you installed a boost gauge, SUE THEM. It's violation of the Magnussen-Moss Act. They would have to PROVE that whatever is failing on your car is BECAUSE of the part you installed. Boost gauge is a monitoring device, it will not cause your vehicle to fail. UNLESS you screwed up the install. Honestly if you can't install a boost gauge, have a shop do it. If the shop screws up the install, then you have the shop cover the repairs as they did the work.

It's pretty simple concept, covered ad pedem litterae in numerous warranty threads.


Honestly, most dealerships get away with telling customers whatever they want, because customers are too pu$$y to stand up for their rights and spend a little money on a lawyer. Not that sometimes dealing with the dealership is worth your time and money, and choosing to just avoid the dealerships BS can be said to have value....but I'm posting this to talk about concepts of legal rights, not best options.

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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 10:27 PM
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Well, mitsubishi did put out a similar sport gauge kit like the one for the viii/ix, but there is one big difference... cost! I came accross it when looking at the mitsu japan accesories catalog. I guess the ~$1000 sticker is the reason why you don't get to see any around and probably why mitsu don't include it with any packages.

Here's a link http://www.japanparts.com/db/parts_d...&SEARCH_page=5
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Old Mar 20, 2012 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowa999
DSMs do not even have a manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor, although most people with decent tuning software (e.g., an AEM or ECMLink) add a 3- or 3.5-bar before starting to tune.
That's partially incorrect, the 2g does run a MAP sensor. You can make quite a bit of power without upgrading the MAP. However, you are right that a higher pressure MAP sensor is used for tuning in some setups. The 1g DSM did not have a MAP but its stock boost gauge read in 7 Psi increments up to 14, where the 2g DSM was just a + / - reading. I modified my ECU to turn my stock boost gauge into a knock sensor.
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