Volkswagen Golf R vs Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR - Head 2 Head
Jan 30, 2013, 01:11 PM
#196
Oh, man, Rob. Are we really going to have the whole transverse vs longitudinal discussion/argument again? No thanks.
The rest of your post is one of those "I'm going use a tone that suggests that I'm looking down on you while actually saying exactly the same as what you said," which I'll also take a pass on, as well.
The rest of your post is one of those "I'm going use a tone that suggests that I'm looking down on you while actually saying exactly the same as what you said," which I'll also take a pass on, as well.
Jan 30, 2013, 02:09 PM
#197
Oh, man, Rob. Are we really going to have the whole transverse vs longitudinal discussion/argument again? No thanks.
The rest of your post is one of those "I'm going use a tone that suggests that I'm looking down on you while actually saying exactly the same as what you said," which I'll also take a pass on, as well.
The rest of your post is one of those "I'm going use a tone that suggests that I'm looking down on you while actually saying exactly the same as what you said," which I'll also take a pass on, as well.
You people are in denial, why..."because race car" right. Ok. The evo is amazing, I love it but the reality is that it isn't a race car, rally car sure, but even a full factory rally car has some drastic improvements. How much is a full factory STI compared to a consumer model.
As soon as a car does better than the evo the first excuse is that if the evo was stage 2 or that they use the FQs. When you walk out of a showroom, you get that car and if the evo can't win guess what, maybe it isn't in it's class, that's ok, what's the problem. If you can tune the evo then the other car can be tuned too. I just accept the context for which it's in and in that context, the evo is king, against a 400-500hp car, cmon....
I had an MS3 and it too was built in Japan unlike the mazda 3s and in a separate factory exactly the same as the evo, but guess what. It's still a mazda 3 underneath.
The evo exist as we know it because an engineer sat down and figured out how to get all these components that make the evo fit into a lancer. So they stretched the wheel base, beefed up the chassis, etc, yes all to what was on the drawing board as a lancer. Even in the Feb Super Street magazine explaining awd systems, explains that it's awd system is based on a front wheel drive platform, unlike the GTR(rwd) or an STI(symmetrical), why because that was originally what it was, a fwd car.
But I won't win this discussion and it wasn't my intent, you guys are loyal to the evo up until the point you have to admit it's just an offspring of a crappy Lancer. Walk into a Mitsu dealer and see how you're treated, like you bought a $35-45k car?, nope.
I love my Evo, waited five years to get it and I'm extremely happy, comfortable and content enough in my decision, yet knowing that it's a hyped up Lancer, no insecurities here.
As soon as a car does better than the evo the first excuse is that if the evo was stage 2 or that they use the FQs. When you walk out of a showroom, you get that car and if the evo can't win guess what, maybe it isn't in it's class, that's ok, what's the problem. If you can tune the evo then the other car can be tuned too. I just accept the context for which it's in and in that context, the evo is king, against a 400-500hp car, cmon....
I had an MS3 and it too was built in Japan unlike the mazda 3s and in a separate factory exactly the same as the evo, but guess what. It's still a mazda 3 underneath.
The evo exist as we know it because an engineer sat down and figured out how to get all these components that make the evo fit into a lancer. So they stretched the wheel base, beefed up the chassis, etc, yes all to what was on the drawing board as a lancer. Even in the Feb Super Street magazine explaining awd systems, explains that it's awd system is based on a front wheel drive platform, unlike the GTR(rwd) or an STI(symmetrical), why because that was originally what it was, a fwd car.
But I won't win this discussion and it wasn't my intent, you guys are loyal to the evo up until the point you have to admit it's just an offspring of a crappy Lancer. Walk into a Mitsu dealer and see how you're treated, like you bought a $35-45k car?, nope.
I love my Evo, waited five years to get it and I'm extremely happy, comfortable and content enough in my decision, yet knowing that it's a hyped up Lancer, no insecurities here.
doesn't really matter , but here is my answer to him not to you...
oh well...
Well, before someone talks about things he doesnt know or nit really informed , suggest to read the pwrc and grupe n regulations what is actually allowed to be modified. 
the price comes inthe rally car in labor and safety gears parts and shocks brakes etc. The car mainly stay as it is. Even side mirros not allowed to be changed...
The mazda ms 3 and the evo separate build is a whole different story, and should.be not mixed up.
The evo is fwd based awd system because its a best approach for awd system for this type of cars. look it up.
The sti is a rwd based system but the none awd subaru wrx's are fwd also. you guys see the glitch's in his comments?
and i can go on and on. But this is a whole different subject from the original subject.
the price comes inthe rally car in labor and safety gears parts and shocks brakes etc. The car mainly stay as it is. Even side mirros not allowed to be changed...The mazda ms 3 and the evo separate build is a whole different story, and should.be not mixed up.
The evo is fwd based awd system because its a best approach for awd system for this type of cars. look it up.
The sti is a rwd based system but the none awd subaru wrx's are fwd also. you guys see the glitch's in his comments?
and i can go on and on. But this is a whole different subject from the original subject.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jan 30, 2013 at 02:14 PM.
Jan 30, 2013, 05:10 PM
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R4 kit cost more then a car from factory when you done with everything. Lighter and longer suspension set up etc. But i dont think for me its worth that much money. Even when its close a seconds faster per mile vs the regular N car.
it is great mod but for those who doing rally for a living.
it is great mod but for those who doing rally for a living.
Jan 31, 2013, 02:55 PM
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And is a slow **** turd.
No contest a mr x all the way, no comparo sorry,
Traction control that can't be disabled.
Fail sauce, ill take an evo any day of that thing.
No contest a mr x all the way, no comparo sorry,
Traction control that can't be disabled.
Fail sauce, ill take an evo any day of that thing.
Feb 1, 2013, 09:23 AM
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Well that is a brand new Polo WRC car.... that car doesnt exists in the real world...like the STI or the evo does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9dx...e_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9dx...e_gdata_player
Feb 1, 2013, 09:39 AM
#206
Let me get this straight. You are saying that the car that came in second at Monte Carlo does not exist. Seriously? Do the people that came in below Ogier know about this or is it your little secret? Because they all should have gotten more points.
Feb 1, 2013, 09:44 AM
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I agree. When looking at all-out rally cars, I'm completely in love with several of the three-door, 1.6 liter cars and like the change in the rules.
But, when it comes to looking at cars that have something to do with what I'll be driving on the street, given my family size, budget, etc, I'm equally delighted that the 4-door, 2.0 liter cars will be around for at least a few more years. I just wish that WRC-2 got even one-fifth the attention as WRC-1.
But, when it comes to looking at cars that have something to do with what I'll be driving on the street, given my family size, budget, etc, I'm equally delighted that the 4-door, 2.0 liter cars will be around for at least a few more years. I just wish that WRC-2 got even one-fifth the attention as WRC-1.
Feb 1, 2013, 09:22 PM
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I have a different take on this debate, I have no problem with people saying my car is based on a Lancer or w/e...The Lancer is a good little car, far more exciting than the equivilant: Toyota Corollas, Honda Civics, Nissan Sentras out there...plus it is safe and reliable and not like all the cookie cutter cars on the road. That being said, the majority of the parts on the EVO are different and geared towards performance.
The Golf R looks like a nice car, it is just in a different league...not comparable to the EVO in the performance arena....noone can argue that it is, stats/testing just doesnt bear this out.
Plus VW quality just hasnt been there for many many years...they usually rank low on any surveys for quality/reliability issues.
The Golf R looks like a nice car, it is just in a different league...not comparable to the EVO in the performance arena....noone can argue that it is, stats/testing just doesnt bear this out.
Plus VW quality just hasnt been there for many many years...they usually rank low on any surveys for quality/reliability issues.
Feb 2, 2013, 07:56 AM
#210
My take is that the "debate" is a waste of time. They share a body and interior. End of story. Neither is really "based" on the other because they were developed in parallel, with each trim starting from the shared body and interior. If you really insist that one is based on the other, you can make an equally strong argument that a Lancer is based on an Evo as you can that an Evo is based on a Lancer.
I'm actually starting to miss the other argument: whether transverse vs longitudinal engine orientation is the key to the difference between Scoobies and Evos, or whether it's the use of a planetary center vs a 50/50. Can we have that one again, instead, please?
I'm actually starting to miss the other argument: whether transverse vs longitudinal engine orientation is the key to the difference between Scoobies and Evos, or whether it's the use of a planetary center vs a 50/50. Can we have that one again, instead, please?