btw, my evo drifts way, way better than that in the snow lol, cusco rear diff ftw.

how is this awd different from a sophisticated haldex again? any time that gets thrown around the rs owners get their panties in a wad about how it's different, they get full time awd, it's preemptive, not reactive like haldex, and yet... this video

 

My understanding from the beginning was that it always was in front wheel drive mode unless needed. Just like the Honda I VTM – 4 in the new Ridgeline. If you read my link about the Honda all-wheel-drive system it also claims it's full time but that's not true. Both systems have an over driven rear end so the reran spends 2.7 times faster than the front in the Honda in order to apply torque. The amount of torque they can be sent to the rear in the systems has to vary depending on what gear in the transmission is in and a bunch of other variables.

The Lancer evolution when going straight or in most circumstances has a 50-50 split. Both the Honda and the Ford use a rear drive unit that depends on the clamping force to send the power. It is my understanding that the Lancer evolution Has a native 50-50 split and uses the clamping force to lock the split or to shuffle some between front to rear but not to attain the 50-50 split.

 

I believe you're correct about the evo - you can think of the power split between front and rear akin to between two front wheels of a fwd - they each get the same amount of power, and the differential shuffles torque via clamping. front and rear of evo get 50:50, and ACD clamps or releases to get desired effects.

focus rs's system looks like a haldex plus electronically controlled clutches for rear

 

So the EVO is superior.

I don't understand these 'feaux' AWD setups. Just do it right or go home? That FWD unless necessary is mega lame and that snow video shows how lame that AWD system is. I've seen Subaru's and EVO's cut it up much better and more controlled. That looked boring and meh.

 

They do these new lightweight systems for less drag on the car to improve mpg. Auto stop start and what not isn't for performance even though it's integrated into the power unit lol.

Probably same reason the RS has an open front diff as it's less weight cost and drag.

 

The amount of Ford Focus threads and replies on said threads on this forum is depressing.

 

If you want a brand new, out of the box AutoX car, it is the one to have at the moment.

If only Mitsubishi would not have packed their bags and quit.

 

more like brand new, out of the box turbo awd. definitely not the autox car to have, in any class

 

I would take an STi over the RS any day. The Subaru needs the engine rebuilt but you could always get an extended, leave it stock and have 120k fun miles!

 

i have a hard time to imagine myself getting an STI over the RS. The STI engine just preventing me to get one. Even if teh STI AWD system is more robust and understandable.

But neither of them gives you the confidence, and the communication as the Evo.

 

fyi according to the rs forums, the delay in the rear wheels in that video is NOT due to it being slow or haldex, but rather that it believes the car is essentially launching & makes the power delivery to the rears slower as to prevent drivetrain shock. not sure why it couldn't distinguish it was in snow, and I know the car has a launch mode, so I don't know why it would delay the power to prevent shock

 

what launch mode ? lolololoolol

he try to roll so he can get a grip , there is 0 trying to launch there lololololol

 

that's what I said, but they're saying that's what the computer "thinks."

in any case, in that scenario, it will delay power to the rear wheels to prevent shock.

 

launch programs dont work under certain rpm. you can set it up but doesnt do anything unless you rev it there. Besides you think the guy run through the whole steps pushing buttons, then just rolls off. right? lol


The RS if you squeeze it hard for a split sec. has a very obvious TQ steer. To the point many times coming out of turns etc ia found myself looking ofr a road. It is a very un comforting feeling.
Granted when the rear comes in to play it helps you nicely. But regardless it is not as comfortable feel at the limit as an Evo.

 

I'm in agreement with you lol. I'm just saying what they're saying (they're very defensive about their car).

that torque steer likely comes form the front wheels only getting the power, before the rear wheels come into play. in motion, I'm sure its a different story