Anyone ran with an RS?
here is how a proper AWD should work when its slipping or have no traction.
You see how well the front and the real works together, there is 0 delay between axels which it shouldn't be. That is the key for good handling lesser reaction times between axels, and power distribution on axels.
No delay gives you more precise feel, and control, its simple is that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHRWidW6bM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22g6sxUfT94
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jan 27, 2017 at 01:26 AM.
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One huge issue the ford and Honda I vtm 4 & sh awd have is that they cannot send power to the rear at a stand still. The ford and Honda require power and grip to the front in order to send it to the rear. This Honda system "can send 70% to the rear" but it does this at a loss by stealing from the front and wasting power in the clutch clamping process, then pukes the loss through the overdrive unit. (2.7% in I vtm-4) this can only be accomplished in certain circumstances and a certain speed. It is only used to help yaw the car for a very brief moment. I guess what I'm getting at is that they sacrifice a ton of power weight and complexity to attain a very brief lack of understeer. In effect these systems should not be thought of as awd but yaw assist or torque distribution systems. They aren't always engaged, they are native fwd.
If you are stuck or in a straight line or at the wrong speed or not doing the right thing at the right time they will not work, they are only designed to work under certain parameters.
https://youtu.be/KzQKjQR9u0A
The Lancer evolution 50:50 full time with variable 100-0 center lock system plus 9 generations of lancer evo R&D. Suspension geometry, chassis everything comes into play when actually putting the car around the corner. The Evolution X system is complex yet simple in its execution and tuned very well.
The super AYC is another amazing bit of engineering, using planetary gears as well as clutch packs to shuffle power.
Subarus STi awd has a slight rear bias but it's a great always on system. I would always get more wheel slip in my old STi than in my Lancer Evolutions. The DCCD center diff is a very brilliant bit of engineering.
If you are stuck or in a straight line or at the wrong speed or not doing the right thing at the right time they will not work, they are only designed to work under certain parameters.
https://youtu.be/KzQKjQR9u0A
The Lancer evolution 50:50 full time with variable 100-0 center lock system plus 9 generations of lancer evo R&D. Suspension geometry, chassis everything comes into play when actually putting the car around the corner. The Evolution X system is complex yet simple in its execution and tuned very well.
The super AYC is another amazing bit of engineering, using planetary gears as well as clutch packs to shuffle power.
Subarus STi awd has a slight rear bias but it's a great always on system. I would always get more wheel slip in my old STi than in my Lancer Evolutions. The DCCD center diff is a very brilliant bit of engineering.
here is how a proper AWD should work when its slipping or have no traction.
You see how well the front and the real works together, there is 0 delay between axels which it shouldn't be. That is the key for good handling lesser reaction times between axels, and power distribution on axels.
No delay gives you more precise feel, and control, its simple is that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHRWidW6bM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22g6sxUfT94
One huge issue the ford and Honda I vtm 4 & sh awd have is that they cannot send power to the rear at a stand still. The ford and Honda require power and grip to the front in order to send it to the rear. This Honda system "can send 70% to the rear" but it does this at a loss by stealing from the front and wasting power in the clutch clamping process, then pukes the loss through the overdrive unit. (2.7% in I vtm-4) this can only be accomplished in certain circumstances and a certain speed. It is only used to help yaw the car for a very brief moment. I guess what I'm getting at is that they sacrifice a ton of power weight and complexity to attain a very brief lack of understeer. In effect these systems should not be thought of as awd but yaw assist or torque distribution systems. They aren't always engaged, they are native fwd.
If you are stuck or in a straight line or at the wrong speed or not doing the right thing at the right time they will not work, they are only designed to work under certain parameters.
https://youtu.be/KzQKjQR9u0A
The Lancer evolution 50:50 full time with variable 100-0 center lock system plus 9 generations of lancer evo R&D. Suspension geometry, chassis everything comes into play when actually putting the car around the corner. The Evolution X system is complex yet simple in its execution and tuned very well.
The super AYC is another amazing bit of engineering, using planetary gears as well as clutch packs to shuffle power.
Subarus STi awd has a slight rear bias but it's a great always on system. I would always get more wheel slip in my old STi than in my Lancer Evolutions. The DCCD center diff is a very brilliant bit of engineering.
If you are stuck or in a straight line or at the wrong speed or not doing the right thing at the right time they will not work, they are only designed to work under certain parameters.
https://youtu.be/KzQKjQR9u0A
The Lancer evolution 50:50 full time with variable 100-0 center lock system plus 9 generations of lancer evo R&D. Suspension geometry, chassis everything comes into play when actually putting the car around the corner. The Evolution X system is complex yet simple in its execution and tuned very well.
The super AYC is another amazing bit of engineering, using planetary gears as well as clutch packs to shuffle power.
Subarus STi awd has a slight rear bias but it's a great always on system. I would always get more wheel slip in my old STi than in my Lancer Evolutions. The DCCD center diff is a very brilliant bit of engineering.
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it has to receive a clamp to get power to the rear perhaps the launch mode tells it to clamp upon the gas pedal being pressed or something like that.
again how much goes to the rear and for how long is all random depending on the gear, clamping pressure and what the ecu thinks it should send depending on the situation. If the system gets too hot it will shut down the rear all together.
again how much goes to the rear and for how long is all random depending on the gear, clamping pressure and what the ecu thinks it should send depending on the situation. If the system gets too hot it will shut down the rear all together.
I am fine and happy the way as the RS came out, I would still buy it over the STI. There is no power or handling problem with the car really. In fact as a stock car vs other stock cars, puts competition behind herself.
But here is why I wont buy the car and I said it from day one.
This is an RS, so from here
and from here
how the hell they ended up here
But here is why I wont buy the car and I said it from day one.
This is an RS, so from here
and from here
how the hell they ended up here
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the links are broken, can you repost?
I do like the RS, I really do. but I don't like how exclusive it is. looks are ok in black white or gray, the blue is a little too flashy for me. it's also a little pricey, and suspension seems to stiff for daily stuff.
I'd really love the hatch sti for a daily if 1) the engine weren't a timebomb and 2) the mpg weren't so bad (I know, I know)
I do like the RS, I really do. but I don't like how exclusive it is. looks are ok in black white or gray, the blue is a little too flashy for me. it's also a little pricey, and suspension seems to stiff for daily stuff.
I'd really love the hatch sti for a daily if 1) the engine weren't a timebomb and 2) the mpg weren't so bad (I know, I know)
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government regulations and mass sales. if they would have made a lightweight aluminum car with a robust but loud and expensive awd system, it wouldn't sell. The focus RS is largely a parts bin car. I really hope they make the next gen platform with the RS at the core and do it right.
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the links are broken, can you repost?
I do like the RS, I really do. but I don't like how exclusive it is. looks are ok in black white or gray, the blue is a little too flashy for me. it's also a little pricey, and suspension seems to stiff for daily stuff.
I'd really love the hatch sti for a daily if 1) the engine weren't a timebomb and 2) the mpg weren't so bad (I know, I know)
I do like the RS, I really do. but I don't like how exclusive it is. looks are ok in black white or gray, the blue is a little too flashy for me. it's also a little pricey, and suspension seems to stiff for daily stuff.
I'd really love the hatch sti for a daily if 1) the engine weren't a timebomb and 2) the mpg weren't so bad (I know, I know)
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