recommendation on coilovers
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I know DMS makes some pretty awesome rally coilovers for the Subaru community, not sure if they have any aftermarket support for the evo community or not. Ever hear of them?
I know DMS makes some pretty awesome rally coilovers for the Subaru community, not sure if they have any aftermarket support for the evo community or not. Ever hear of them?
Last edited by F1312T4; Dec 27, 2009 at 08:34 AM.
Well I wouldn't hope that typical "spirited driving" on mountain twisty roads would be as punishing as a tarmac rally cross. The constant compression/rebounding the valves were experiencing and them trying to dampen them as much as possible was just too much. Those coilovers are designed to be on a smooth racetrack where their job is to mainly control body roll while still allowing the suspension to do its job. That valving was not designed to dampen ride height changes that a rally car experiences (even on tarmac stages). I'm really not surprised they failed.
Well I wouldn't hope that typical "spirited driving" on mountain twisty roads would be as punishing as a tarmac rally cross. The constant compression/rebounding the valves were experiencing and them trying to dampen them as much as possible was just too much. Those coilovers are designed to be on a smooth racetrack where their job is to mainly control body roll while still allowing the suspension to do its job. That valving was not designed to dampen ride height changes that a rally car experiences (even on tarmac stages). I'm really not surprised they failed.
But seemed economically a good idea, at least try them. Since the race was hold on tarmac.
They are great as far as track or dd. I gave them too much credit for sure and i got punished by that.
Well , at least i tried this one too

i think the best school is , when you learn from your own mistakes. And you always try and never quit.

By the way i'm 100% agree what you saying here.
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Dec 27, 2009 at 09:10 AM.
Nice to mention but it doesn't matter. The OP will not be engaging in rally racing so therefore, it's a moot point. The KW Variant 3 is a legitimate coilover given the price point. I know too many people that have run them Time Attack/Road Racing and have had no problems....whatsoever. If your primary application will be street you have nothing to worry about.
Nice to mention but it doesn't matter. The OP will not be engaging in rally racing so therefore, it's a moot point. The KW Variant 3 is a legitimate coilover given the price point. I know too many people that have run them Time Attack/Road Racing and have had no problems....whatsoever. If your primary application will be street you have nothing to worry about.
yes that is true. But he lives in Slovenia, and i have been there, so as i saw couple guys driving there ..

Believe me some guys there might experiencing the stuff i had away they drive sometimes
. So since i dont know him he might one of them.
SO i gave him a heads up.Besides my car is much lighter then a street car so the torture would be much bigger on the street car, due the weight difference. Remember i runned less then 20 miles....
And the rest of 200 + with the OEM coilovers and they are still in perfect shape....
In my garage. Fact we keeping them as a spare.
that is not about rally racing its about really hard driving on public roads. Which is here mostly highway run vs the Eu twisties and bumps hard breaks stuff etc...
"I know too many people that have run them Time Attack/Road Racing and have had no problems....whatsoever. "
that was what i said too. I had experience in those with the KW. and they are great. Im talking something different here...
anyway , i think he got the point if he know what im saying here.

I like KW V3 dont get me wrong, just not for certain places and certain guys.
I would not recommend them for Public roads for the guy who drives a **** out of they car. And im still not talking about high way pulls.
Im not saying it will happen with them, but certainly is in the air...
So that is a reason i said what i said. Also i'm not talking anout ideas , these are facts what happend with me.
anyway.
That was my opinion about KW V3./not a robispec version, since i never used them/
Rob

I like KW V3 dont get me wrong, just not for certain places and certain guys.

I would not recommend them for Public roads for the guy who drives a **** out of they car. And im still not talking about high way pulls.
Im not saying it will happen with them, but certainly is in the air...
So that is a reason i said what i said. Also i'm not talking anout ideas , these are facts what happend with me.
anyway.
That was my opinion about KW V3./not a robispec version, since i never used them/
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Dec 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM.

- Andrew
i can see that. Sure the the KW V3 is TUV certified.
I would give you a heads up on something. I raced , seriously once with the KW V3. After coupe of TT on track races. /i had to, i love rally , the TT is too boring at least
/
On rough public road. It was tarmac , but not smooth by any-means. It was a tarmac rally and since my car already had a tarmac set up with KW V3 /for track / i thought the US tarmac rally smooth as a EU tarmac rallies.. Boy i was wrong.
Anyway the result this issue leaded to me to completely blow the KW V3, and took me off road since the suspension is collapsed on me in one right turn. It did me thrown off road around 60 mph... gardening etc. as usual after that, then go bac the road
Here is the pics when they were scruteneering the suspension after the accident. Since no the suspension part was damaged what so ever, not even tires or wheels, we took a stock suspension back and finished the rally , even on worst stage conditions later.
So my point is, if you are in the mountain area with bumpy - twisty roads , and you drive very fast, keep this in mind. The KW V3 is for dd /means slow with traffic/ or smooth tarmac race. If you think you will go little rougher , skip the KW V3 and go for they Grupe N version, or get a AMR Engeneering suspension.
here is my results with them after less then 20 miles in tarmac rally race.
these are not a Robispec KW V3's.
no knocking on the KW V3 , just a true story . It is really sad the oem suspension , with oem springs are stronger then a for race build suspension. Even when they are not as good in handling wise as the race build. But at least you finish the race with them. Granted KW V3's are not build for rally. But come on. Tarmac rally is on public tarmac road ...
Rob
I would give you a heads up on something. I raced , seriously once with the KW V3. After coupe of TT on track races. /i had to, i love rally , the TT is too boring at least
/On rough public road. It was tarmac , but not smooth by any-means. It was a tarmac rally and since my car already had a tarmac set up with KW V3 /for track / i thought the US tarmac rally smooth as a EU tarmac rallies.. Boy i was wrong.
Anyway the result this issue leaded to me to completely blow the KW V3, and took me off road since the suspension is collapsed on me in one right turn. It did me thrown off road around 60 mph... gardening etc. as usual after that, then go bac the road

Here is the pics when they were scruteneering the suspension after the accident. Since no the suspension part was damaged what so ever, not even tires or wheels, we took a stock suspension back and finished the rally , even on worst stage conditions later.
So my point is, if you are in the mountain area with bumpy - twisty roads , and you drive very fast, keep this in mind. The KW V3 is for dd /means slow with traffic/ or smooth tarmac race. If you think you will go little rougher , skip the KW V3 and go for they Grupe N version, or get a AMR Engeneering suspension.
here is my results with them after less then 20 miles in tarmac rally race.
these are not a Robispec KW V3's.
no knocking on the KW V3 , just a true story . It is really sad the oem suspension , with oem springs are stronger then a for race build suspension. Even when they are not as good in handling wise as the race build. But at least you finish the race with them. Granted KW V3's are not build for rally. But come on. Tarmac rally is on public tarmac road ...

Rob
Thanks for the heads up. You just might have stopped me from buying the KW3's... Because I do drive exactly the conditions you wrote about - mountain twisties with a ton of bumps and holes. My plan originally was KW V3's with ClubSport tops (I dunno what u call it in english - top mount/heads). Basically I'd take the whole clubsport version if it wasn't so awfully loud.. (Heard them in a modded porsche turbo over a loud exhaust).
The AMR Eng. aren't TUV certified right?
If they aren't, I'm off looking for new coilovers again... FAIL. You ruined my day dude.
Previous settings I had in mind were Billsteins PSS9's but... Heh... I hate EU laws. I mean look at it like this: I can't put on öhlins for 15k $ because they don't have a TÜV certificate, they have a FIA homologation bu hey, who are they to say what's good right? On the other hand, the almighty HIGH END 600$ per set BC Coilvers do have a TÜV certificate.
Damn I'm pi$$ed off. Should stop writing now.
Any suggestions other than KW V3's? Any thoughts on a possible defect on the coilover u blew up? Cause from what I searched around, yours seems to be an isolated case, but the fact is that 90% of the people on EvoM have 500whp, keep their cars in the garage when there's rain and drive 50 mph to work with their ARC intercooler. Rare are the people who put the stuff they paid to the real test. (straight line players excluded, but you're not the ones to comment on coilovers anyway)
Next thought - Eibach Multi-Pro R2. Didn't see if they're TÜV certified tho, but they're Eibachs, even though made in USA, it's a German company... Might have it.






