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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 07:55 PM
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I read your sig blog link yesterday and really enjoyed it. I think it is great that you are so fast with well thought out upgrades and have gotten good results with the driver mod instead of opening your wallet.

In the interest of full disclosure, I talked to Myles yesterday based on reading your blog. He was super busy and on his cell phone, but answered all my questions. I just didn't hang up the phone feeling like they were the right choice for me. Some of that might be due to the fact he's out of stock for at least another week.

I could try them on the KYBs, and then get Bilsteins later, but they are still progressive, and that is what stops me. That and I really want to try a linear spring.
lol can't wait just one more week?

and the GTWorx are NOT progressive

I do most my talking with Andrew (mostly by PM here on evom). Myles seems pretty busy with R&D most of the time (sometimes with other companies like Bilstein, JRZ, etc). Since he's so busy, I've only talked with Myles when it came to ordering/purchasing - Andrew for the rest.

if you were really looking to buy so soon, I think SSP has one last set lying around. I'll check tomorrow for you and let you know (so you can consider =P)
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Exyia
lol can't wait just one more week?

and the GTWorx are NOT progressive

I do most my talking with Andrew (mostly by PM here on evom). Myles seems pretty busy with R&D most of the time (sometimes with other companies like Bilstein, JRZ, etc). Since he's so busy, I've only talked with Myles when it came to ordering/purchasing - Andrew for the rest.

if you were really looking to buy so soon, I think SSP has one last set lying around. I'll check tomorrow for you and let you know (so you can consider =P)
I can wait a week, it's not a problem. After I hung up is when I started to think a lot more about it and really wanted to consider coilovers. So the stock and both swift springs are progressive, but the GTWORX aren't? That's interesting if so.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:11 PM
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Also, remember I'm on KYBs, not Bilsteins.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:14 PM
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Also, remember I'm on KYBs, not Bilsteins.
Condolences. Me, too. Someone really needs to sell me their Bilsteins. Blown is fine.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Noize
I can wait a week, it's not a problem. After I hung up is when I started to think a lot more about it and really wanted to consider coilovers. So the stock and both swift springs are progressive, but the GTWORX aren't? That's interesting if so.
nope, 1st page, few posts down
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...installed.html

honestly Bilstein + GTWorx IS a coilover like any other, and if you really look at it - Bilstein are one of THE best shocks out there. And you'll be using a shock designed specifically for the X. stuff like KW v3's may be nice, but they sell them for EVERYTHING - makes me wonder how applicable they really are to every platform.

their springs were released in Jan of 2011......on a car that came out in 2008. And they already sold/sell Swift springs. They made them because they felt they could do it right. I don't see any other reason you would bother to release springs for a car that's already been out for 3 years. ontop of that, they didn't give 2sh*ts about what the drop height was - these were designed to stiffen AND maintain enough stroke - hence they feel like OEM in every way.

I can still feather the wheel in wide sweepers with the AYC turning the car around - it just feels completely natural that I don't have to ham-fist it like "BECAUSE RACE CAR"
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:29 PM
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Having to get Bilsteins might be a deal breaker. H&R coilovers use Bilsteins too, but have a lifetime warranty. They're also a lot stiffer and height adjustable.
Old Mar 2, 2012 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Noize
4) Advice. I've already dragged enough people in this thread, but people that I know who race Evos successfully prefer coilovers and recommend them over lowering springs.
That's the only line that bothers me. You don't have plans to race. IMO your dynamics are different than most with Evos. S'all I'll say.
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You need to confirm that lifetime warranty also includes all rebuilds....that's not always the case.

Both our springs and the Swift Spec R's are pretty linear. But any spring (including stock) will have some progression towards the end of travel as you start getting into the bumpstops. Springs with their own built-in progression definitely feel a bit more funky though.

I really really really think you should auto-x the car as soon as you can. Go have fun and learn a few things about the EVO X! It is kind of an odd car to drive in that it surprises you with it's balance and grip....it just kinda does things you don't think it's capable of.

My advice is autocross the car first. Then think about springs (GTWORX or Spec R), Bilsteins, and maybe the roll center kit. Maybe add front and rear swaybars, but it sounds like you should avoid just adding a rear if you're having trouble with the car rotating too easily. Revalved Bilsteins would be optional but a very nice touch.

Myles has been busy with a very special project lately.

- Andrew
Old Mar 2, 2012 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GTWORX.com
You need to confirm that lifetime warranty also includes all rebuilds....that's not always the case.

Both our springs and the Swift Spec R's are pretty linear. But any spring (including stock) will have some progression towards the end of travel as you start getting into the bumpstops. Springs with their own built-in progression definitely feel a bit more funky though.

I really really really think you should auto-x the car as soon as you can. Go have fun and learn a few things about the EVO X! It is kind of an odd car to drive in that it surprises you with it's balance and grip....it just kinda does things you don't think it's capable of.

My advice is autocross the car first. Then think about springs (GTWORX or Spec R), Bilsteins, and maybe the roll center kit. Maybe add front and rear swaybars, but it sounds like you should avoid just adding a rear if you're having trouble with the car rotating too easily. Revalved Bilsteins would be optional but a very nice touch.

Myles has been busy with a very special project lately.

- Andrew
He told me a little about that project, I think, especially if it involves three letters.

I've kind of put the cart before the horse here, in that I have already bought some pretty wide wheels. That's an apt metaphor too, because my car will look like a horse cart if I put these wheels on without coilovers or lowering springs.

The local region autocrosses on Sunday mornings, which conflicts with taking the family to church.

The few times I have autocrossed here consisted of about six total minutes seat time and four hours corner working in the sun while the Corvette owners sipped lemonade in the shade.

I'd much rather get to do another track day down at Little Talladega. You get literally 20x more seat time, an instructor, and get to shift higher than second gear.

We're getting so off topic now, though. In addition to complementing the new wheels, what I'd ideally want in a suspension is posted above.
Old Mar 2, 2012 | 10:36 AM
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The only coil of that list I would touch would be the KW.

I have the bilsteins and the gtworx spring and do not like.

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Old Mar 2, 2012 | 12:48 PM
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I have a deal working with a member of the site. The Enkeis are on, and they look STRRRRRRRRRRRRETCHED!!!! LOL Volkswagen crew.
Old Mar 2, 2012 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Noize

Most of this is just based on feel and what seems rational to me. I know next to nothing about suspension, and I've tried to be really honest about that. I have no delusions about the financial side of it, and I don't have debt, I pay my CC off at the end of every month. If I have to wait a few weeks to pull this off, I'll let my new wheels stay in the boxes until I'm ready to do it. I made the mistake of installing mods I wasn't sure of on my VIII, and that contributed to my selling it faster. Even if I'm not qualified to drive the car at even 8/10ths with the coilovers, that's ok. If it's overkill, I'll have reserves built in. It it's a waste, it's my mistake to make.

Thanks for reading!
I hear you on this point. Installing H&R coilovers was the biggest contributing factor to selling my 350Z. They rode like sh*t and barely improved handling (if at all). I don't know how they are on the Evo but the 350Z application sucked bug fat monkey *****.
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I have a deal working with a member of the site. The Enkeis are on, and they look STRRRRRRRRRRRRETCHED!!!! LOL Volkswagen crew.
welcome aboard!!
Old Mar 2, 2012 | 07:42 PM
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Used Apexi S1 en route. [/flamesuit]

I'll get them set up and get used to them before buying a rear bar.
Old Mar 3, 2012 | 07:33 AM
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Used Apexi S1 en route. [/flamesuit]

I'll get them set up and get used to them before buying a rear bar.
/sigh... so what was the point of this thread again?



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