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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 07:38 AM
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(Resolved) Need help deciding on coilovers

RPF-1 18x9.5 +15 are en route. They'll be wrapped in Nitto NT05 245/40/18 tires. I want to have a lowering solution in place before I install them, so I'll probably be waiting a few weeks while I get that figured out.

Cost is a factor. I just got wheels, and depending on price, I'll just delay purchase a little longer.

I am not considering lowering springs on stock shocks. I want some coilovers that will offer a functional drop but not hurt performance. I don't want the car to ride terribly after, and would probably do about 1.1-1.2 drop all around. I don't want to roll the fenders, just install, get them set up correctly, align, and go.

I want to reiterate that I don't want anything that will reduce handling from stock. I know there are some cheap coilovers out there, and I'd much rather do it right than have to do it twice.

Current options I'm considering:
1) KW variant 3 (I like these, but they are pricey. I really like the spring rates.)
2) H&R coilovers (less pricey, not adjustable, might be alright for me as minimal tweaking could be best)
3) Apexi N1 (less pricey, probably most comfortable, but spring rates might promote understeer)


Please don't turn this into a "Just get springs, dude" thread. I know some people have had great success with springs on stock GSR shocks, and I can appreciate that. They're just not for me.

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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:03 AM
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Bilstein MR struts + GTWorx or Swift Sport or Swift SpecRs

You have ZERO need for coil-overs.

What are H&R rates? They have not released those to my knowledge.
Apexi - why do you want understeer?


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I want to reiterate that I don't want anything that will reduce handling from stock. I know there are some cheap coilovers out there, and I'd much rather do it right than have to do it twice.
I could ride as part of handling. Same as I do for work. Your ride will be rougher. Life between rebuilds shorter than OE struts.

You're going to spend a lot of money for something you do not need. And in the end...you want looks > function.

*shakes fist*
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:06 AM
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+1 on the looks over function. I say either get some regular swift lowering springs or get some bilsteins + swift spec-r. Wait for my review if you aren't comfortable with the later option.

Or the third option, don't lower your car. It's not going to look like anything other than a rally car... hrm... the Evo a rally car *day dreams a bit*.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:08 AM
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Agreed with above two, but I personally am not a fan of the Spec-R's for X street duty since they're linear rate rather than progressive.

I would say either the Eibach Prokits or Swift Sports would be a great match for your use, honestly, they're both good, pick based on which drop you prefer.

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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:12 AM
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I hear this is for sale:

Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Smike
Bilstein MR struts + GTWorx or Swift Sport or Swift SpecRs

You have ZERO need for coil-overs.

What are H&R rates? They have not released those to my knowledge.
Apexi - why do you want understeer?




I could ride as part of handling. Same as I do for work. Your ride will be rougher. Life between rebuilds shorter than OE struts.

You're going to spend a lot of money for something you do not need. And in the end...you want looks > function.

*shakes fist*
H&R are 8000k/7000k. KW springs are actually stiffer in the rear. Apexi are 8000k/6000k, hence the thought it might push.

H&R and KW are guaranteed for life, so even in rebuild interval is shorter, it won't cost. Robispec KW are the same in this.

I want looks without worsening handling. I've read way too many threads where Eibachs lose function and require rear fender rolling with aftermarket wheels.

IMO to do Swifts Sports or GTWORX to be super nice, you need to be like migs and get Bilsteins and have them revalved. At that point, the cost jumps way higher than a set of $300 springs. I'd be shipping stuff around and be 80% to the cost I've been quoted on coilovers.

I rode in jimm's and 01cbr929's cars that both have the Robispec (KW) setup. Neither car was too stiff for me by any means, but both had substantially less body roll.

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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:16 AM
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Come to Dallas and drive my car, I guarantee you'll be impressed with my suspension setup. Smike's ridden in it...I'm sure he can chime in.

It really seems like you're trying to over-complicate things here. All these springs we're discussing were designed to be compatible with the stock shock valving.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Come to Dallas and drive my car, I guarantee you'll be impressed with my suspension setup. Smike's ridden in it...I'm sure he can chime in.

It really seems like you're trying to over-complicate things here. All these springs we're discussing were designed to be compatible with the stock shock valving.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Come to Dallas and drive my car, I guarantee you'll be impressed with my suspension setup. Smike's ridden in it...I'm sure he can chime in.

It really seems like you're trying to over-complicate things here. All these springs we're discussing were designed to be compatible with the stock shock valving.
Those Eibachs 100% require a rear roll with my wheels, so they're out.
I've seen a few complaints on them.

I have no doubt that migs setup will be freaking awesome, but it's a lot of work for me (shipping and buying multiple things), and cost approaches coilovers.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Noize
I've seen a few complaints on them.
You'll find complaints on anything, trust those who you feel are knowledgeable and have real-world experience testing multiple setups. No product is designed or capable of excelling at everything, you need to find the products that were designed most closely to excel for your particular uses. Prokits are not track springs, just like Spec-Rs are not daily-driver springs. Here is one thing I love about the Prokits (just stating for fact, I know they won't work with your wheels): they are the springs that come standard on the FQ-400.

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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:37 AM
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You'll most likely need a fender roll with 18x9.5 +15 on just about any aftermarket suspension.
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by migs647
You'll most likely need a fender roll with 18x9.5 +15 on just about any aftermarket suspension.
Jimm is on KW v3, same exact wheels. He's like -1.5 in the front, thinking close in the rear. Since he's stock tires, he is unrolled and isn't contacting at all. In the RPF-1 thread, all the 10.5 guys have to roll. Some of the 9.5 guys with 265 have to roll, but all with 275 do. They all say they are fine in the back with 245.
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Not to turn this into a just get springs thread ... but can you explain why exactly they aren't for you?
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Originally Posted by Noize
Jimm is on KW v3, same exact wheels. He's like -1.5 in the front, thinking close in the rear. Since he's stock tires, he is unrolled and isn't contacting at all. In the RPF-1 thread, all the 10.5 guys have to roll. Some of the 9.5 guys with 265 have to roll, but all with 275 do. They all say they are fine in the back with 245.
That is with people in the rear??? I've seen 245's with wear marks on them, don't recall what the suspension set up was though. Rolling isn't a big deal btw. Won't change the look of the car at all. Pulling will though.
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BC Racing BR's are like $999.

Some pretty good feedback.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15719



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